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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Edited to be slightly more fair to people complaining that they don't think genocide is good just fine

Here's a link to join a protest, courtesy of mozz

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (6 children)

This guy does literally nothing but tell people how Democrats are awful people (and implies you shouldn't vote for them)

TONS of posts like that.

I really wouldn't be surprised to find out he's Russian.

No-one is supporting genocide. If people don't vote for Biden (and even if they do, the popular vote might not be enough), Trump will win.

The only case where saying "don't vote for Biden" would be if Trump was actually a better, smarter, more emphatic president, and would use the US's power to instantly stop helping Israel.

And who exactly thinks that's even possible in any scenario or even parallel universe?

Not voting for Biden would be like being a pro-Hitler British person in 1939.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

He's a voter suppressionist actively trying to get Trump elected under a thin veneer of guilt and shame. He's appealing to people that haven't been paying attention and think the Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians started right after October 7th, rather than in 1948. By doing this tries to claim that American support of genocide is brand new thereby absolving himself and others of the guilt associated with it, unless of course they also support The Genocide™ by voting for Joe Biden.

More importantly he can claim that Joe Biden is the only presidential candidate that supports The Genocide™, so vote for someone else and you won't be supporter of The Genocide™. The quiet part is that Trump never supported The Genocide™ because it never happened until Biden was president.

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[–] Spazz 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Voting for Biden without trying to tell him he needs to stop supporting genocide will likely still result in him losing.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Weird how you didn't deny being a Russian instigator stoking division among progressives.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because it's both unfalsifiable and deeply unserious

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, sure. That's the reason.

It's just completely out of the realm of possibility to prove that you're not a Russian troll. /megasarcasm

Where'd you live?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I did that. I'm also going to vote against more genocide, done not just abroad but at home.

In the voting booth, there is no "no genocide" button. Your choices come down to "more genocide" and "less genocide", and you get to push towards one outcome or the other.

Personally, I'm going to take a brave stance against "more genocide", but if your principles keep you from engaging with the real options, well.

I'm sure the people who die who wouldn't have otherwise will forgive you.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

if you vote for biden, you are voting for genocide

that seems kind of objectively true to me

you don't pick and choose which policies your candidate's vote goes towards it counts for all of them

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

If you vote for Biden, you are voting to limit Israel's genocidal warfare.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (24 children)

Unfortunately for you Israel has been committing genocide against the Palestinians since the 1948 Israeli/Arab war, and the United states has supported them since then. I guess if you want to pretend this is something new and Biden is the cause of The Genocide™ so you can feel better about yourself without actually making a difference then good for you. I applaud your mental gymnastics.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Do you know who the candidates are? Who the other guy is?

The person whos promised to remove all climate actions and regulations on day one. A guy who is taking dick from Putin every night while screaming "harder daddy". A drooling megalomaniacal diaper wearing fascist, who supports Putin and Netanyahu.

You're not voting for genocide. You're not even voting for Biden. You're voting against Trump.

If you're an American with the right to vote and you don't vote Biden, you are directly supporting Trump, Putin, Netanyahu and other far-right leaders.

Have you ever heard of the trolley problem? You're online, so you should have. Do you know what's never the answer to those problems? "I walk away but also take no responsibility for allowing more people to die." Sorry, not an option. The lesson is that inaction is a choice with consequences.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yup. These people honestly think… or, “honestly” think- that not voting is going to actually do something.

Now we have two scenarios to address here:

One:

They actually think in good-faith, that they are going to make a change. To emphasize- they actually think that doing nothing will cause something to happen. Which means… they are entirely unaware that someone will be elected with or without their help.

And-

Two:

They know damn well that a non-vote will help Trump and that is why they are here. There is clearly more evidence to support this being the case as you’ll never see them on any post critical of Trump, suggesting that people not vote for him. Nor do you see them arguing that Trump wouldn’t be a worse choice. Nope. They’re dead silent on the issue.

They don’t need to actively support Trump, or suggest people vote for him here as they know there are very few supporters of his on lemmy.

However, they DO know that conservatives show up to the booths to vote. In DROVES. All they need is to convince a small amount of people to stay home, and their boy wins the White House.

One of these two are correct. The problem is that everyone loses either way- and they don’t care.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (24 children)

No one is arguing a little genocide is good. They're arguing that a lot of genocide is clearly worse. This seems obvious, but I'm constantly surprised how fucking stupid people are.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

They are not stupid; they are deliberately misunderstanding.

I feel a little bit silly even trying to “explain” this like there will be anyone who’s informed by it, but no one here is pro genocide. I would be surprised if you could find 5 people on Lemmy ever who said that genocide is good if done by Democrats, or at any other time.

Here is where to find a protest; go there and meet some new friends, do what you can to stop the genocide. How to do it, I don’t really know, but posting on Lemmy about not voting for Biden will not accomplish it for a couple of different reasons.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They are not stupid; they are deliberately misunderstanding.

Lot of column A, little of column B.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Go to this place and keep your protest away from my peaceful politics-free community."

It is certainly not the case that people here need any encouragement to be louder about not wanting their candidate supporting genocide.

I edited it for the both of you to make if more fair, hopefully you don't still take issue with the framing

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You claim that I think genocide is fine, and then hope I don't take issue with the framing?

This is a very bizarre conversation

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Dude! Nice man you built there. Really slick. What’s it made of? Oh? Straw?

Cool cool. Lightweight. Organic. Biodegradable! No downsides to that I’m su—

HOLY SHIT

Holy shit holy shit it’s on fire. The straw man! It’s burning! Your poor man of straw! It couldn’t stand up to the heat of even a little interrogation!!

Ugh. I’m shocked about this! Apalled. No one could have predicted this, no one.

I am so sorry for your loss. It must be truly a blow. Well, take care now. I usually block accounts like these. :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

This….. was fucking beautiful. Bravo!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I'm glad I didn't rile you too much

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

Or let Trump win and get twice as much genocide. That's way more bang for your buck!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Never been more thankful for a block function. This clown is bad for all of us.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm tempted, but it's also important to address propaganda as it appears.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (7 children)
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[–] Spazz 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

JFC, no Democrat is supporting genocide, they're just not willing to pay the price to stand up to the people committing it.

Besides, all you accomplish by beating up the Democrats over this is ensuring the people who are literally pro genocide will be in power next year

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