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Despite its name, the infrastructure used by the “cloud” accounts for more global greenhouse emissions than commercial flights. In 2018, for instance, the 5bn YouTube hits for the viral song Despacito used the same amount of energy it would take to heat 40,000 US homes annually.

Large language models such as ChatGPT are some of the most energy-guzzling technologies of all. Research suggests, for instance, that about 700,000 litres of water could have been used to cool the machines that trained ChatGPT-3 at Microsoft’s data facilities.

Additionally, as these companies aim to reduce their reliance on fossil fuels, they may opt to base their datacentres in regions with cheaper electricity, such as the southern US, potentially exacerbating water consumption issues in drier parts of the world.

Furthermore, while minerals such as lithium and cobalt are most commonly associated with batteries in the motor sector, they are also crucial for the batteries used in datacentres. The extraction process often involves significant water usage and can lead to pollution, undermining water security. The extraction of these minerals are also often linked to human rights violations and poor labour standards. Trying to achieve one climate goal of limiting our dependence on fossil fuels can compromise another goal, of ensuring everyone has a safe and accessible water supply.

Moreover, when significant energy resources are allocated to tech-related endeavours, it can lead to energy shortages for essential needs such as residential power supply. Recent data from the UK shows that the country’s outdated electricity network is holding back affordable housing projects.

In other words, policy needs to be designed not to pick sectors or technologies as “winners”, but to pick the willing by providing support that is conditional on companies moving in the right direction. Making disclosure of environmental practices and impacts a condition for government support could ensure greater transparency and accountability.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

But think about all of the good it's done. Crappy article mills would be set back months if we turned it off!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (10 children)

This isn't a good situation, but I also don't like the idea that people should be banned from using energy how they want to. One could also make the case that video games or vibrators are not "valuable" uses of energy, but if the user paid for it, they should be allowed to use it.

Instead of moralizing we should enact a tax on carbon (like we have in Canada) equal to the amount of money it would take to remove that carbon. AI and crypto (& xboxes, vibrators, etc) would still exist, but only at levels where they are profitable in this environment.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Of course it would.. lmao are you kidding me? Have you never seen a server farm? Hell NSA has huge warehouses of servers.

Last year, before I joined this organization, IT decided to get off Microsoft's cloud service because after some calculations they realize that on-prem hosting was significantly cheaper than cloud hosting. Now I believe more and more organizations small and large/enterprise are getting off cloud or doing a mixture / hybrid because the costs are not justifiable.

And for AI? Requiring GPUs? Huge energy consumers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

The forefront of technology overutilizes resources?

Always has been.

Edit: Supercomputers have existed for 60 years.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (6 children)

It's a new blockchain. It'll fizzle out but we'll come up with a new buzzword by then.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

thing is that few if any use cases for blockchain were found and any actual useful things would not require much energy. The high energy crypto itself does nothing useful over more efficient alternatives and I don't know what you mean by fizzle out but it still uses massive amounts of energy. the language models unfortunately do things that are useful and is much more likely to keep drawing power.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

AI Training is a flexible energy consumer, meaning it can be switched on and off at will, so that it can take advantage of excess solar power during the daylight, providing extra income to solar panel parks. The important thing to do is to install solar panels, and then AI training isn't an environmental problem anymore.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (6 children)

We already have a more elegant solution than training AI when solar arrays produce more electricity than the grid needs - batteries. It strikes me as a better option to save the energy for later use than to burn it off to train AI.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It looks like you and the commenter you replied to are talking about two different problems. You're talking about what to do about excess solar energy, they are talking about how to power AI training in an environmentally-friendly way.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

AI companies*

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Me: ChatGPT, can you create a system that's capable of powering your systems in a environmentally sustainable way?

ChatGPT: THERE IS INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The ugly truth behind journalist: broke English majors are guzzling resources at planet-eating rates

By age of 21 most journalist have produced 336 metric tons of Co2 and and 20 000 lbs of waste just to produce stacks of advertorials, mild propaganda and personal vendettas leaving a trail of blog posts across multiple servers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

We all know this, and we all know the "ai" they have right now is anything but that.

But these companies are making billions from this gold rush hype, so they could give two shits about the planet

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