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[–] [email protected] 79 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I know people with a single non-violent felony and are destitute. This mother fucker has 34 and has a chance at being president. Dying empire led by bad people is exactly right.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But he can't vote anymore. Oh thank God for that!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

Felons in New York can vote as long as they're not incarcerated.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Nah he can still vote, it's NY

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This isn't about the justice system. It's about the average American voter.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Bruh...

His license was suspended and the hearing was to delay his reporting to jail by 4 weeks...

And he didn't show up to the courthouse like he was supposed to, then face timed in while driving...

He was already sentenced to jail, he just didn't have to report yet.

Like, the court date wasn't just for driving with a suspended license. It was for whatever caused him to already lose his license and get sent to jail.

So the judge ruled against his request for delay and ordered him to report to jail that evening.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

Yeah to be real, that first guy definitely fucked up bad. I'm not gonna pretend he's some kind of poster child for anti-maga.

I'm still against carceral punishment though.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yo let this man be. He wasn't driving without a suspended license. The judge was working on false information.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/hear-from-the-man-caught-driving-during-virtual-court-hearing-for-suspended-license

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Even if we ignore the whole "suspended license" part of it, he still showed up to court breaking MI law by using a cell phone while driving. Thinking he is going to avoid ridicule for this is a pipe dream.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget he was also found liable for rape.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I hate Trump with a passion but I'll play devil's advocate here.

Not all felonies are equal. And I bet all of you have different feelings about different convictions. For some, bribing a pornstar to keep quiet about an affair just doesn't seem like a big thing, a morally ultra wrong thing, something that would disquality you from running for presidency of a country.

Einstein cheated on his wives and was a huge asshole. That doesn't make his accomplishments as a scientist any less valid. Should we denounce the theory of relativity because he was morally or ethically corrupt?

Let me tell you Trump's story from the eyes of a Trump supporter here: The guy had an affair long time ago and he knew that this getting public would make him look bad despite being a genuine guy with good intentions for his country. So he did what every red blooded American would do, he asked the mistress not to tell anyone. He paid her for that. He had to get that money from somewhere so he had to falsify some books.

I understand how disgusting this is, but for an average Joe this can be very well understandable and morally forgivable. You might disagree (you might also know more details and context than the average Joe) but at the end of the day everyone's moral compass is different. And affair and hush money might just not be that big of a deal in the grant scheme of things. It might not be something that big that it should keep you from voting for a candidate. He didn't murder someone! after all.

And honestly, in some way I agree: Trump did so much bad shit that he should be in prison for, but the hush money thing is just not the Big One I want to see him convicted for.

As others pointed out, convicted felons should be able to run for presidency to avoid political imprisonment of opponents. This is literally what happens in Russia all the time. You want to run for something? Either you filed some paperwork wrong and cannot run as a candidate, or you get thrown into jail because of corruption or extremism or taxes, or you get assassinated. Often one follows the other.

Apart from that, I firmly believe in rehabilitation. Fuck Trump, but I'll be damned if in a couple of years some amazing dude could not be running for president because he was thrown to jail for drugs or stealing popcorn or some other crap when he was 18. Even for major crimes. If you have served your sentence and show remorse you should be able to integrate yourself back into society with somewhat of a clean sheet. We fuck the lives over of ex felons big time and it is such a shame.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just lost brain cells. It's campaign finance violations, not an affair. Also, the government doesn't just get one shot to convict someone. It's not "the big one" but he's still under threat for other actions he chose to take.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's campaign finance violations, not an affair.

Thank you.. I blame the media for this. Every article and talking head referred to it as the "hush money case" instead of "campaign finance fraud."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I absolutely agree. Please don't take my comment above as my actual opinion on Trump. My point is exactly this - for a Trump supporter it is easy to see this as the "hush money case" as you call it and just state it's not that big of a deal even when he's convicted. And the media is very much to blame for that.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I certainly appreciate a good devil's advocate argument. On the other hand, you're advocating for the devil.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You totally lost me with your arguement at "so he had to falsify some books".

Generally I agree that not all crimes are equal and that what you have written good be a good interpretation of how Trump supporters may trivialize the matter.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You held on longer than me. I was done when he asked wether we should reject the theory of relativity because einstein was asshole.

The way one views other people is irrelevant for physics. Its a cornerstone of politics.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Yeah, but stealing classified documents to sell to the highest bidder is pretty fucking serious, and the clown judge that he hired did everything in her power to get that trial pushed til after the election when he could hopefully throw it out as commander in chief. The fact that they pulled that shit makes me want NY to throw the book at him.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Einstein made astonishing and real contributions to science. You cannot invalidate his contributions because they’re, well…scientific. Yeah, he did some shitty things, but those things were limited to the scope of his immediate family. Not apologizing for him, just offering this for comparison.

We have to make these adjustments any time we discuss the work of some artist, scientist, or leader we place on a pedestal.

The real test is how much damage they do to others. Infidelity? Well, it sucks, but it’s not uncommon (not dismissing it, just observing the fact). Did a scientist create a wheat variety that withstands pests and drought, feeding millions, yet also create a profitable chemical that has caused widespread cancer or environmental destruction? Maybe a popular, famous and groundbreaking artist was a real piece of shit and beat his wife and kids, say maybe putting one of the kids in a wheelchair? Maybe a world leader that’s done a great number of amazing things but still dropped bombs on civilians?

Now what? Is this the price of greatness? How much do you accept or turn a blind eye to? How much real harm did they do?

As far as felonies go, there’s obviously different levels, and that’s up to the law, and FBFW the judge…as we’ve seen affluenza and being a rich POS lets you skip out on a lot of punishment thanks to judge’s biases. Our “feels” shouldn’t be what counts.

You say you “hate trump with a passion”, but:

and he knew that this getting public would make him look bad despite being a genuine guy with good intentions for his country.

Say what?

As far as “moral compasses” go, I think it’s been pretty well established that the pro-trump morality is willfully ignorant and shored up with personal prejudices and hatreds. You have to deliberately choose not to believe in many things to support trump, and that means ignoring laws, the rights for and respect of your fellow humans, science, and many other things. Believing in a Flat Earth has the same validity as supporting trump.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The guy had an affair long time ago

My man has been having affairs almost continuously since his first marriage.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

Whoa that's insane.

Nobody would ever vote for a criminal. Now imagine the president supported a straight up Genocide! Adolf Hitler style! Everyone would jump ship to a third party!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Anyone who thinks voting third party is a solution is just a useful idiot for people much worse than Biden.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

You make a good point. Trump is both a criminal and also has said out loud that he supports genocide. Thanks for bringing that up. Sometimes I forget which president has openly stated their support for genocide. So being reminded that it was Trump and only Trump is helpful.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's more an Andrew Jackson-style genocide

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The OG Hitlers.

Fun fact for those that don't know; Hitler was heavily inspired by how America Genocided all the Natives and filled the land with white people.

Fuckcars moment

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Right, but the point of the displacement-style genocide is partly deniability.

You're still eradicating a culture and people, but the camp guards don't kill themselves or spend the rest of their lives drinking themselves to death.

You'll even find chuds defending it a hundred years later because "it was mostly disease that killed them" and such.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

to be fair plenty of liberals and other non-abolitionist folk probably also had the top reaction 🙃

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