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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/17489781

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

This is some really expensive hardware for a processor that's a couple generations behind in performance.

Also, I'm surprised these can be shipped to the US. I thought this tech was sanctioned or something related to it, or perhaps, it might soon be.

EDIT: Ah, looks like it's legal to purchase even as an entry on the US Entity List, but I am not a lawyer.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

A couple generations don’t mean much anymore.

Performance gains have been slow.

I’d rather understand where exactly is its performance in comparison to AMD and Intel.

Then I can make a call if it is worth it.

After all there’s plenty of Raspberry Pi level performance and people are happy with it as long as price is right.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Less than $400 for mobo, cpu and fan is not expensive even if it's a couple of gens behind

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I mean, it's a 4 core MIPS CPU, tops out at 2.5GHz and apparently compares to an i3 10100F, which is pretty much "reheated Skylake". This with native code.

It can translate x86 and ARM code in theory, but I can imagine the performance degradation. You can buy this if you want, I know I won't

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I can get an AMD 7800X3D, a b650 mobo, and 32Gb of DDR5 RAM for $500 right now in a bundle from my local Microcenter. I bought that exact bundle for like $425 a few months ago when I rebuilt my gaming PC because they happened to have some other sale running that stacked with the bundle price. Gimme a modern x64 processor and DDR5 RAM I know will feasibly last me like 10 years for a few extra bucks any day.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Why not? Those CPUs got perfect scores on Red Star OS.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Gonna party like it's 1999...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

More importantly, Winnie approved!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I would buy it. No US fed backdoors, just Chinese ones, and I'm not in China.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago (7 children)

This is not a good deal. First of all I highly doubt this mobo and CPU will be Windows 11 compatible so you're out of luck there. For $373 you can find an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X and mobo combo deal that will vastly outperform this Chinese CPU. Also AMD's AM5 platform is DDR5 while this Chinese CPU and mobo combo is DDR4. $373 is a ridiculously non competitive price.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Who the fuck uses Windows 11?!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Me 😢

I have a critical work app that will not run in wine or with proton.

I’ve even contacted the devs and they suggested trying to run the android version on Linux, but it doesn’t work either.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I have several for work that will likely never work in Linux.

So those have a nice little VM they sit on, which has been stripped bare of the nonsense. Remote desktop access enabled, and I can do what I need whenever.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The majority of businesses and a lot of consumers. 46% of steam users. Few years it'll be the majority.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

46, goddamn

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I do, I've been trying to get off it and onto Bazzite but I tried to do a test run by installing it on my laptop before my pc and the boot loader won't pick up the usb 😔

I don't feel comfortable doing it on my pc without first seeing it work, so it seems I'm stuck on windows

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No Intel Management Engine though.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is not a good deal. First of all I highly doubt this mobo and CPU will be Windows 11 compatible so you're out of luck there.

That's a feature lol

For $373 you can find an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X and mobo combo deal that will vastly outperform this Chinese CPU

Really? I'm actually asking because I don't think you can get the amd combo you mentioned at that price. Also, we'd need to confirm the specs and performance. So far it would be just speculation

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Really? I’m actually asking because I don’t think you can get the amd combo you mentioned at that price.

Without even trying... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/msJQ6D

This is not even the lowest you can go, as I wouldn't get an A620 mobo. Also not a recommendation, just first three components I found.

BTW, afaik this is a MIPS CPU, with proprietary ISA. Who would want this other than the Chinese government exactly?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Give us some links for combo of motherboard, CPU and fan. I assume it needs a fan.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Here:

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-RyzenTM-6-Core-Mortar-Motherboard/dp/B0C1P856RB/

https://www.amazon.com/PCCOOLER-Paladin-Nickel-Plated-Anti-oxidant-Protective/dp/B0CN66YDXT/

CPU + Mobo combo plus a CPU cooler which adds up to about $381.40 which is $8 more than Chinese CPU + mobo combo. I think that's close enough to be within the margin of price fluctuations. That AM5 mobo comes with four memory slots, PCIe 4.0, USB 3.2 and Wifi 6E. Those features may be worth extra $8 for some.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Bundle List Price: $498.99

Not even close.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

You shouldn't compare retail prices with deals. Go compare it to AMD MSRP.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago

Might be helpful to have this hardware if you want to develop malware targeting systems in China.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A few years from now we may be seeing US tariffs on these just like EVs today.

China is developing fast and it took US trade war seriously.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So you want to continue using the American spyware. I'd give the Chinese spyware a try, to even the ground.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'll take the red fascist mobo for use in the Second American Civil War, np

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'd even go as far as to say your data is way less likely to hurt you when abused abroad than domestically.

And we know American hardware does, indeed, have backdoors.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think that is what they mean by “which is a bit like MIPS or RISC-V.“

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

It is. Originally they were a MIPS-like, then they licensed it and became MIPS-compatible, then they extended it into their own instruction set.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I believe these still not beat the bang for the buck of X79 and X99 PCs.

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