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[–] [email protected] 194 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Trump will throw Ukraine under the bus.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lol seriously. Doesn't anyone remember why he was impeached? Come on.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which time? (Sorry, couldn't help myself. I need the small joys. )

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I like the jib of your cut, son.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His plan will be to "give Putin everything he wants"

And then he'll be like "aren't I the greatest negotiator?!?"

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Absofuckinglutely.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago

Trump's plan is to end support for Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Same plan he made in Syria and Afghanistan. Abandon US allies in the region, hand over all local assets to hostile forces and leak intel like damn spaghetti strainer.

I wouldn't be surprised if he ordered the DoD to hanf over all the intel we have about Ukraine to Russia and withdraw all other support and recon in the area.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The USA, Iran and Russia are responsible for syrian civil war. None should have got involved in it

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Be as that may be, Trump absolutely selling out the Kurdish Militia that was a long time US ally in the region was not acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It doesn't change the fact that imperial powers ruined syria

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Imperial powers created Syria. Modern Syria anyway. The entire Middle East has been an Imperial project since colonialism. Pretty much only the Saudis and Israel (and Iran, if you want to count it as Middle Eastern) aren't on board.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (4 children)

His plan is to tell Ukraine to stop fighting and just let it happen.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (11 children)

If it's good enough for the woman he rapes it's good enough for Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone knows this, but it's difficult to point out how dogshit Trump's "plan" is if he refuses to state what his actual plan is.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think trump's plan is Ukraine = Russia, then master Vlad will be happy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Sell Ukraine for Russian golf resorts

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

His plan is to hand you over to putin on a silver platter, for free.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Remember when Trump said he would get rid of the ACA and they had a plan to replace it? But he never had a plan and eventually said "who knew healthcare was so complicated?" (Everybody knew it was complicated.) This is the exact same thing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Only things he likes more than himself are underage girls.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's sucking putins dick and giving him the land already stolen from Ukraine

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

His plan is sucking his master Putin's cock!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

He will suck Putin's dick so hard that Russia will learn to respect the US again and never dare to start another war

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Ukraine War would end within a week without US support. It would take a Trump admin doing literally nothing for the war to end. That's his plan. To do nothing.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

USA aid is very important to Ukraine, but even without it they would continue fighting. Ukraine has been without USA material aid for months already in the past, when the republican party was blocking it. And as it turned out, Ukraine sustained higher casualties and had less offensive power than with USA aid, but they were never close to folding.

Ukrainians + their supporting neighbours are very motivated to not be occupied by Russia, so they're not going to just give up if Putin's stooges come to power in the USA.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's also the fact that a hypothetical end to US aid wouldn't end EU aid. It's definitely not on the same scale as the US due to our much smaller military sector, but that'd likely change in the event of a US shut-down of aid.

In my mind, the most likely results would be:

Short-term: Very dangerous period for Ukraine, they lose some ground, lots of men (similar to the last time they had a crippling artillery shell shortage).

Medium-term: EU military sector slowly ramps up to meet demand, as about 3/4 of central & eastern EU considers this an existential war that cannot be lost at any cost.

Long-term: After the war is over (however many more years that takes), Russia finally negotiates some kind of ceasefire where they can save some face internally and brag about how they "Denazified" Ukraine while going home and accomplishing nothing, EU is much more self-sufficient and therefore buys less from the US, and they aren't seen as a trust-worthy ally militarily anymore. Even if on paper most EU members are still in NATO, they consider the security guarantees of the EU as much more important and serious.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Occupying a country that size doesn’t take a mere week. So no, it won’t.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I'm guessing Trump's plan to end the war is "Back Russia and help Putin crush Ukraine." Because (much like Trump's own sycophants) he doesn't realize that he'll the first under the bus when his master no longer needs him.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Trump has got to be among the biggest narcissists alive.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

The plan is stop supporting Ukraine and support Russia. You know this Zelenskyy..

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Ukraine is cooked, with a divided France and a Trump presidency it's all but over.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

The plan? Ukraine surrenders unconditional and in totality.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Everyone is saying his plan is to give Ukraine to Russia, but his actual plan is to try to give all of Europe to Russia by pulling out of NATO.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I believe hes already said he would pull all US aid out and let russia have them

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like the far right in my country before the elections "We have the solution to fix the economy, vote for us" - without of course saying what they're going to do.

Unfortunately, majority of people believed them

Populism works, people like to vote for someone that says what they want to listen even if it's obvious that they're not going to do that

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