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lol. It's funny cause we're supposed to pretend the alternatives would've been better (i.e. Clinton, McCain, or Romney)
Or maybe that America is an evil empire that will commit atrocities regardless of who's the president.
But it's just Obama. Why not use the American flag or put USA somewhere?
Sure he ramped up drone use... but like you said we would've done that regardless of who was president
Because he won a Nobel peace prize? It's good to remind people that he isn't a good person. Everyone likes to pretend he was "the only good president" or something. He did evil things too. Like "crimes against humanity" evil.
The cartoon works because it plays on people's preconceived notions of Obama.
Also it's possible the cartoon was drawn while he was president, in which case he would represent the US just as well as an American flag for purposes of a political cartoon.
Proven every single year. It's not a new thing either. Look at the real non-revisionist history of "the war of 1812" and you'll see how the US started some shit unprovoked yet again, got their asses handed to them like Vietnam, and had to retreat. Canadians/British burned down the US capital as a f-off symbol and then retreated. The US views that as a victory.
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Its also funny because trump did 432% more of this yet everyone ignores that
I love what you goobers think the president does. What powers they do and don’t have. Stay classy.
They seem to have the power to commit crimes now
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This definitely isn't whitepeopletwitter
Mixed people just can't catch a break
I love it when western leaders preach about democracy while raining down fire on people across the world.
They aren't mutually exclusive. Democracy just means that (in theory/principle) everyone gets a say in whose wedding on the other side of the world gets bombed.
Democracy isn't inherently peaceful. No governing system is.
Wait, aren't those mutually exclusive? You can have a democracy at home and still do all those things abroad.
But it is contradictory
How do you mean?
Because overthrowing democracies and replacing them with dictatorships is not exactly in line with their rhetoric? Because it's hard to vote in elections when you've been killed in a drone strike?
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Imagine being such a fucking bootlicker, and probably financially privileged enough, that as a Black man, you consider America now, but also historically, "inclusive" in any way shape or form.
Never mind having had the job to know that American democracy is a lie (but I guess lying to yourself about it to make you feel better).
Makes me almost think it's a fake, but then neoliberalism is a hell of a drug..
Have you been to other countries? The USA isnt great.. but someplaces its literally gulag to be a minority, person of colour, or LGBTQ+
Have you been to other countries? The USA isnt great.. but someplaces its literally gulag to be a minority, person of colour
Have you been to any other countries?
Because the only place I know of which is putting its people of colour in open-air prisons is Israel, which has the full support of the USA.
You don't think the US is inclusive? What does that word mean to you?
Not trying to argue or anything. It's just a bit surprising to me. I work in the US and the company I work at takes great steps to be inclusive. I legit have to ~~always~~ applaud their efforts (as a brown dude that supports gay/trans folks). I honestly can't imagine there's many cities on earth where that happens
Edit:typo
Lmmfao..
The USA was founded on genocide and built on slavery, and has never treated either of the groups they owe their exitance to with anything but disdain and abuse, never mind other groups like LGBTQIA+, disabled people, those who aren't white or Christian, women, and so on and so on...
Members of all of those groups are not only generally paid less, criminalised more, given less access to services and opportunities, but are openly abused by both establishment and society.
But for you to specifically use trans people as an example, in this climate, where they have been the direct target of bigoted and violent abuse really is infuriating, and I have a feeling you're more of a self designated "ally" than an actual one, since you're clearly not even aware of what trans people are having to deal with.
The fact that you find the idea of American not being inclusive surprising only proves your wilful ignorance, not the presence of any real inclusion in the USA.
You're assuming a lot dude, I don't disagree with you on any of that stuff. I literally never mentioned any of those things you're upset about. Go reread my comment.
All I'm saying is, the company I work at, which doesn't reflect everyone, has trans managers and more women leading teams of engineers than I think most Americans would imagine. That's why I asked.
I'm like 95ish% with you, it's just that you made a huge claim, the US isn't inclusive. Try to imagine a person that isn't "willfully" ignorant, for lack of (trying to find) a better word, hears you say that while from their view they see more and more trans people, women, POC, and immigrants in real positions of power. It would be understandably jarring to say that's not inclusive.
Regardless, I think you forgot to answer my question. What does the word inclusive mean to you? Is it like an all or nothing kind of thing? If so, what would that look like?
Honestly, you're not making conversation with you easy. But it's all good. Haha. I can be pretty rude and insufferable at times, myself (no offense). We totally don't have to keep this going if it's not worthwhile
I don't think you're the problem here, you've been very polite. They're from blahaj.zone; there are a lot of very angry people over there and it seems to be part of the culture to go out of their way to be unpleasant. I blocked the whole instance in Voyager because I don't want to deal with their militant bullshit, but I guess that doesn't keep their users out of my feed...
The constant victim mentality there is unreal.
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Maybe he shoulda experimented with clubbing McConnell with a baseball bat instead of rolling over when McConnell defied the Constitution during his SCOTUS pick.
I guess "Inclusive experiment" is one way to describe slavery.
Started by those people doesn't mean we act like they did..even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Don't drown baby in the bathwater before you shower; or whatever the phrase is.
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Obama so lucky he can make a spelling mistake and still get away with it
There is no spelling mistake. But I haven’t had my cofefe yet today.
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When you're doing an experiment you set up the conditions and then observe the results. If you need to constantly involve yourself then you're running a bad experiment. "Experiment" is a terrible way to describe democracy.
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You're right, Obama. I'll load my AR and start teaching some chemistry. But, rest assured, I'll never match your kill count.
Not going to well right now, is it?
the ~~big, bold, inclusive~~ failed experiment
Biblically accurate entreaty for coexistence.
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