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It'll be the cheapest place, by an absurd margin, to play Baldur's Gate 3.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Series S is the cheapest way to play the game by an absurd margin? Steam Deck is only about $100 more and it plays the game just fine.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Absurd is too strong of a word, but 100$ ain't nothing. Not for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

It's literally 1/3rd more expensive and thats not an insignificant amount. If your rent increased by 1/3rd tomorrow you'd probably be pissed and if you had a 33.33 percent chance of getting struck by lightning by stepping outside tomorrow you'd probably stay indoors that day.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've played this on my deck, and it is playable, but the frame rate was not stable unless it capped it 30 and the graphics had to be dialed back a bit. If the S can hit 60 then it's already a better version.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I play at 900p60. Turn literally everything to low or off except textures at medium. Enable the AMD upscaling to the highest quality setting (forget what it's called). Be sure to turn off Antialiasing (don't really need it at high resolutions) and God rays. Turn off all optional things but those two are the most important. Also, if BG3 is installed to an SD card, then enable slow HDD mode.

It still stutters a little when transitioning to cut scenes, but I believe that exists in all PC versions.

Edit: And I have made it (what I think is) mostly through Act 2. I've also hosted an online session with my friend (who also plays on Steam Deck using my settings) and my husband (gaming laptop) with no issues.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I was just playing it from a mates library, going to wait for the Series X version now to carry on. Cheers though.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Asking out of genuine ignorance here: is there a setup that allows a 100+ GB game to be played on the 64GB Steam Deck?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You can plug in an SD card and install it there, it will have longer load times but shouldn't affect gameplay much otherwise.

Edit: You can also expand the USB slots and get an external SSD

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

128GB micro SD cards are like $12. 512GB is maybe 40$. Can get a 1TB SD card for $100 but I think the 512 is a good middle ground between price and storage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, 256 is around $20 last I looked, too. Not bad. Been considering getting one, probably not for anything with an install this large, but it's nice to know I'd have the option.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Yes, a 256GB+ SD Card. Be sure to enable slow HDD mode in BG3 settings if you're installing to an SD Card. (It will help loading screen times at the cost of using more RAM.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Not currently, no. They burned enough dev cycles trying to get split screen co-op on the S that now BOTH the S and X versions are delayed, which I guess is better than "not happening at all."

The S has every right to exist, but as soon as it starts interfering with Series X development (which has been for a while now), it's time for it to go.

Microsoft needs to cut it loose like the boat anchor it is and just release a discless Series X and call it good.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's one game. By and large developers have managed to get games running pretty well and feature complete ok the S. Some really impressive attempts like the Cyberpunk version. Everyone is thowing the baby out with the bathwater over one game.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait until you hear about all of the dev cycles spent getting games on the Switch.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In most cases, Nintendo platforms are ignored by 3rd parties. Non-Nintendo games rarely sell well there:

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/449937/the-switchs-growing-third-party-problem/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

All sorts of "impossible" poets were being made to switch a few years ago. Witcher 3, Doom, Wolfenstein 2, etc. The games have moved on to the point it's not feasible anymore, but they would put them on there if they could.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The series S is the only thing keeping spec sheets in check. Without the Series S, Id say the steam deck and low end PC gamers suffer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My cheap mainstream laptop runs the game on mid settings just fine. It cost ~500 USD.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Am I misreading your comment? You're saying Series S is not the cheapest because Steam Deck is more expensive? Did you have a typo? Am I suffering CO poisoning?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Good luck installing BG3 on that 64GB eMMC, mate.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (8 children)

AAA PC exclusive titles also have the right to exists.

I miss playing good first person shooters...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I don't blame the lack of good shooters on consoles. Consoles never interfered with that before. I blame the popularity of Battle Royale. Everything is a fucking BR now. And it's not like they just took the gameplay style; they also took the jank.

All the best new shooters are indy developed boomer shooters with retro aesthetics. And I'm getting kinda over that, too. The genre needs some new ideas.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Everything has the right to exist, whether it can financially justify the development costs is anoyjer matter.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (4 children)

By an absurd margin? Motherfucker the steam deck is $400. If you buy a series s over a deck you're a fool.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Series S is very frequently on sale for $50 off, sometimes more, and often comes with a bundled controller or game.

The Deck is only playable in Act 1. The frame rate in other acts struggles to reach 20 FPS, even on low settings. Also, the $400 deck you're referencing cannot even install the game unless you buy an accompanying microSD (which I can't imagine provides a good BG3 experience) or an SSD which you then crack open the steam deck to install (which will be too intimidating to most casual, non-tech people).

$450+ is a more accurate price point for playing BG3 on Steam Deck; 50% more than the Xbox MSRP, which is significantly discounted every few weeks. The Xbox will also offer a much more convenient experience to those who want to play the game on their TVs, and the game will look nicer on that hardware.

The Deck is an awesome little device, but you're overselling it here, and ignoring a lot of nuance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I played the entire game on the steam deck AMA. I found it to be acceptable in act 3. I didn't check the fps but it felt like 30-40

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean it's definitely not a great experience on the steam deck. I would imagine even the Series S can run the game better than the Deck can. Especially at 1080p since the deck only has an 800p screen. (Yes you can dock it but the experience will be even worse than the already reportedly poor visuals on the 800p screen)

If that report about the Series S losing split screen is true that seems like a pretty good compromise while also allowing a decent quality single player experience for Series S owners.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is a great experience, I do not know where this sentiment keeps coming from.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

How far are you in the game? It gets worse the further you get in the game.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The steam deck is about half as powerful as the Series S. If you don't want mobile gaming, there's zero reason to buy the steam deck over the Series S.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The steam library, full Linux operating system, and emulation of current gen Nintendo games is far from zero reason.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (10 children)

And if a person doesn't care about the steam library, linux operating system or emulation? If they just want to play BG3 and other modern games on their couch, running natively on their machine in a convenient, no-fuss manner? Will you admit that, for that person, the Steam Deck is a terrible option and they'd be far better served, both financially and visually, by buying an Xbox Series S, even at MSRP?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Sure, the Steam Deck is cool, but a Series S can actually be bought in most of the world. Last I checked, Valve only sells it in less than 20 countries

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also while it's neat that they made the game as pretty as they did, this is at the end of the day an isometric turn based crpg. It shouldnt be that hard to scale down.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's not exactly isometric considering you can tilt and zoom the camera and get it all the way down to over the shoulder adventure style, allowing you to see off into those beautiful vistas. It has some performance issues even on PC in some places like the mountains and the namesake city.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Article is well written, and I agree with most of it actually.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Microsoft did the right thing by softening their stance on system parity. Insisting on it would have hurt the Xbox further along the line, but now devs know they can still release on Xbox if they can’t get one or two features to run on the S.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

It's already been hurting them a lot it sounds like. I don't think Baldur's Gate is the first game to not release on Xbox because they couldn't achieve system parity with the S. If they've really softened on it, then that's a good idea. Better late than never.

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