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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 105 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Former congressman Harold Ford, former chair of the Democratic Leadership Council and banking executive, made a similar point on Fox. “I was an elite that supported you in 2020,” Ford said. “And said that we should do everything we possibly could do to advantage you against Bernie Sanders, because I thought Bernie Sanders’ politics were detrimental to the party and to the country.”

Oh my gosh, universal, tax-paid healthcare, higher education, and increased worker protections. So detrimental. Things most of Europe and even our neighbor to the North handles just fine.

And y'all think these people are still on the left in any way, shape, or form?

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 65 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Former congressman Harold Ford, former chair of the Democratic Leadership Council and banking executive, made a similar point on Fox. “I was an elite that supported you in 2020,” Ford said. “And said that we should do everything we possibly could do to advantage you against Bernie Sanders, because I thought Bernie Sanders’ politics were detrimental to the party and to the country.”

From Harold Ford's Wiki

In April 2021, Ford joined Fox News as a political contributor.[7] He frequently appears on Special Report as a panel member and was named a co-host of The Five in January 2022.

Hey great going democratic party leadership, you've always looked like incompetent morons, now you look like corrupt incompetent morons!

SHOULD HAVE BEEN BERNIE. YOU STOLE OUR FUTURE TO PRESERVE YOUR PRESENT PROFITS.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

SHOULD HAVE BEEN BERNIE. YOU STOLE OUR FUTURE TO PRESERVE YOUR PRESENT PROFITS.

I'm not sure we should be so pessimistic yet. They blocked a candidate but did nothing to kill it's popularity. As long as we don't succumb to Fascism within the next four years, there's still a massive base of voters that would vote for a socialist in the '28 primary, and the left democrats will have had 12 years since Bernie's first campaign to build up the infrastructure for it by that point.

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[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

"Fox News pundit now openly admits wanting to YET AGAIN fool people into helping billionaires get gigantic GOP tax cuts like in 2016 which was Bernie's worst nightmare".

2016: PROFITS WERE INCREASED GREATLY

SHOULD HAVE BEEN BERNIE.

We should have had more people wanting to vote Bernie. Absolutely. Too bad you didn't work hard enough on that.

TO PRESERVE YOUR PRESENT PROFITS.

Biden raised the minimum corporate tax from 0% to 15%, and skillfully did it with the votes of 2 senators who are now independents.

2020: PROFITS WERE NOT PRESERVED.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Too bad you didn’t work hard enough on that.

Certainly not as hard as the party worked to shut out progressives for you.

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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 64 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’ve said this over and over again, (...) Joe Biden was not picked in 2020 because he was the only person that could beat Trump. He was picked because he was the only person that could beat Bernie Sanders, rightly or wrongly. … That conclusion was made, okay? “Oh my gosh, coming out of Nevada, Bernie Sanders is going to be the nominee!” And people, just like they are now, said, “Ahhh, I don’t think that’s going to work,” so they were looking for an alternative.
- Adam Smith

I was an elite that supported (Biden) in 2020, (...) And said that we should do everything we possibly could do to advantage (Biden) against Bernie Sanders, because I thought Bernie Sanders’ politics were detrimental to the party and to the country.
- Harold Ford

This seems to be the gist of the article.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

And the party.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Good going. Let's argue and divide the Democrats when it needs unity the most.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"Oh man this is very inconvenient to the echo chamber. Please move on everyone nothing to see here"

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 8 months ago (17 children)

jacobin doesn't want unity; jacobin wants to elect far right republicans.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

We held our noses and voted for him despite everything we knew in 2020. What did that get us? A genocide halfway across the world.

This time around I decided to believe Biden when he says he is a Zionist. He demonstrated it over 30,000 times so far.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

If you don't want evidence of fuckery coming out, it's pretty easy not to engage in fuckery in the first place.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When OP is a closet Republican this is no surprise

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

I wondered what was gonna replace "bot" as the go-to bogus accusation.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 40 points 8 months ago (4 children)

With Democrats like that who needs Republicans?

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Left: It sure is a huge problem that there’s such a bipartisan effort in Washington to be corporate trash

Lemmy: YEAH FUCK THE DEMOCRATS

Left: I think we should get involved, maybe we could do campaign finance reform or get rid of FPTP or strengthen the progressive wing of the Democrats, or idk, fuckin something, this is horrible

Lemmy: LET’S LET THE FASCIST WIN

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Everything in all caps is what centrists see when they encounter anything not in all caps.

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[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The corporate democrats pulling off the masks once again. Now that Joe Biden is pro labour they want to throw him under the bus as well.

[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not sure his interactions with the rail unions support him being “pro labor”

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[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Biden claiming to be pro labor makes his as pro labor as trump saying he's pro Christian.

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[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Of course the corporate democratic side of the house wouldn't want Bernie. He was a threat to the status quo and they couldn't have that. Shifting money back to the middle class from the ultra rich? But it's the ultra rich that keep bank rolling them. How could they possibly go against that? Instead they discredited an honest, good guy who actually espouses the values out of their good book.

I just wish they could get on message and get in lock step about a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. It's the only reason the right is successful at this point. Yep, their policies are garbage, but look at them rally around their trash fire and start dancing to the drums.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Yeah, how is this a shock to people? If they can't have their own neoliberals in office, they would absolutely prefer to lose to another neoliberal than win with a progressive.

America desperately needs preferential voting.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Because like most other politicians many of the "democrats" are slaves to their billionaire masters too

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Its not unexpexted and doesn't matter. I'm stil voting and it will be for whoever is running against Trump.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is the democracy we are told that needs to be saved by Re-Electing Biden.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We didn't need them to admit it, and Bernie endorsed Biden just the other day. It wouldn't surprise me if Biden were being pushed out the exact same way for being "too progressive." The fact that the left wing of the DNC has been supporting him suggests this is the case.

[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That's odd because the only reason there's leverage to remove Biden is because the party thought he wasn't progressive enough in terms of Gaza.

Removing him because of his terrible debate is only politically feasible for Democrats because he has been losing in head-to-head polls since almost exactly October 7th.

I think AOC and Sanders are probably thinking of something else. My hunch, is they assume Republicans will challenge the existence of any Democrat on the ballot not named Joe Biden for some sort of rules violation, the decision will go to the Supreme Court, and the court will decide on returning 45 to the White House.

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