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[–] [email protected] 62 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

American taxpayer dollars get recycled into the pockets of the military industrial complex and it's investors. Death and destruction are America's primary exports

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Completely right.

When the U.S. gives military aid to Israel, the Israeli government is not putting that money in its pocket. The vast majority of the money that the U.S. allocates to Israel each year must be spent on American weapons.

The logic of this only works when companies that produce these weapons pockets the money and gives some it back to bribe politicians for deals like this and to cut their taxes.

They are taking billions of our tax money and giving it to companies in a loophole so the process isn't directly stealing from us.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Israel is also bribing our politicians. Our two-party political system is so corrupt it makes me sick to my stomach even thinking about it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Tale as old as time

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The US doesn't benefit, but a few privately owned corporations and a handful of already way too wealthy monsters benefit.

But since they own the US government, it doesn't really matter if the other 99.998% of people in the US, plus 100% of Palestinians suffer.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Calling Israel a democracy is stupid when it has Jim Crow style laws at best and apartheid at worst. They don’t let most Palestinians vote and keep them on bantustans.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

it has Jim Crow style laws at best and apartheid at worst.

But you repeat yourself.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

U.S. Politicians, especially on the right, will always support Israel because, even if they don't realize it, there's bigotry involved. Israel is the one country in the Middle East that's "like us" and not run by those scary swarthy Muslims. They don't love that it's run by Jews, but Jews are closer in their mind to "normal" than Muslims. Muslims, especially after 9/11, are no longer trustworthy to American politicians. It doesn't matter that 99.999% of them have no interest in attacking the U.S., they're all the enemy. And Israel, to them, is the lone light in fighting that enemy.

It's some sick shit that even plenty of them would realize was sick if they took two seconds to think about it. Which they don't.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Americans have to tell themselves that america and it's proxies "the good ones" because any sober assessment would shatter their world view and require them to stop doing all the evil shit that they do.

It's why those pathetic cowards leaving the DNC had to cover their ears rather than hear the names of their victims.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Which are the benfits? Please as a non American western i fail to understand how "having an ally" in the area (as israel is the only viable option) benefits américa in anyway

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

When the U.S. gives military aid to Israel, the Israeli government is not putting that money in its pocket. The vast majority of the money that the U.S. allocates to Israel each year must be spent on American weapons. That is true, in general, for American military aid to other countries, such as Ukraine.

Those American weapons that Israel purchases are produced in factories across the U.S. So, many American lawmakers have an interest in sustaining that aid because that money ends up flowing into their own states and providing local jobs.

They use taxpayer money to give business to the defense contractors that they've invested in. It's a kickback, to themselves.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Ever heard of oil

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

It's laid out in the article under the heading "How does U.S. aid to Israel serve America’s national interests?"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Military bases

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well Harris' campaign promise is that Americas going to have the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.

So, yeah the genocide will continue.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why are you leaving out the rest of the paragraph from that speech? She spent more time talking about the needs of Palestinians and working on an immediate ceasefire.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (8 children)

When she says "ceasefire" she's talking about finding ways to make docile liberals okay with dragging this whole genocide out longer. Harris could stop it in a concrete way by halting all the bomb and missile shipments until they run out of ammo and have to come beg for more again. That then gives you leverage to say "stop indescriminantly murdering civilians, r*ping prisoners, and assassinating the person you're supposed to be negotiating with"

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

President Biden and Vice President Harris believe a strong, secure, and democratic Israel is vital to the interests of the United States. Their commitment to Israel’s security, its qualitative military edge, its right to defend itself, and the 2016 Memorandum of Understanding is ironclad.

https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/FINAL-MASTER-PLATFORM.pdf

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Obviously not, Palestinians need some American freedom..

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

You could give the aid to ukraine and benefit the MIC just the same

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

US is evil, yes, we've known

Edit: USA government, to be clear, not the citizens broadly

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Gotta supply the settler colony with weapons for its ethnic cleansing campaign

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Oh well if we're benefiting from the genocide then alright. /s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Palestinians have been offered a state countless times. The Arab and Iranian Muslims that fund Hamas' terrorism won't be happy until everyone is dead or a Muslim.

It's 2024 why are we supporting religious terrorists?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

"Offered a state"

Yeah sure thing dude. As long as they don't control their border with Egypt, right?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Israel is the one that was founded on ethnic cleansing, used the peace process to expand it's settlements, and is currently engaged in genocide. Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Its 2024, why are we supporting ethnic cleansing?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

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