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Space Marine 2 rejects Denuvo and DRM with a concise and simple "no" (www.pcgamesn.com)

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[-] [email protected] 96 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oh man, I was going to wishlist it and wait but now I'll have to buy it on launch week.

EDIT: Sabre Interactive understands that the Emperor's light shields the faithful, making dark machine rites like Denuvo unnecessary. Such heretical rites only agitate the machine spirits, causing discordant whispers that play into the hands of the enemies of Man. The Omnissiah smiles upon this decision.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

If this game releases with good quality my friends and I are day 2 customers for sure. Seems fun as hell from the videos.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

I'm still pretty gutted about there being a season pass and DLC and stuff, but... I might be a week 4 customer 👀 it does look fun!

[-] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

On the upshot, that season pass and the DLC stuff is all cosmetic only. All gameplay additions will be free for all.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

I still strongly dislike limiting cosmetics so much, especially in a setting where they can mean so much. Darktide's $20 skins pissed me right off: role-playing is 100% part of the game and that price is absurd.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Honestly, fair criticism, as it is still a $60 game and in my old timer's brain that means everything should be unlockable through gameplay. Unfortunately, that's just not how the market seems to work anymore, so I'll just be glad their extra monetization is only limited to cosmetics and not gameplay stuff as well.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Yeah that's true, you're right. Altho, I am still skeptical of it - if you have DLC ready to go before launch... Why isn't it in the base game?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

It's like booking a hotel: Basic price will get you a room for the night, with all the common amenities, but if you want late checkout, you'll pay extra. Sure, they could fold that into the basic price and make it the norm, but if you know you'll leave early anyway, you'll be paying for something you don't want.

The metaphor breaks apart if you look too closely - for hotels, early checkout is a convenience since they can get the room ready sooner for the next guest, so they'll incentivise that, while the devs have already put in the work. On the other hand, the late checkout is a service of convenience while a DLC is an excitement feature, where the content is instead an incentive to pay more.

Either way, I feel like add-ons for games aren't too different from add-ons in many other industries: "This is the basic , with the price we feel we can charge for it. This here is an extra you can have for an extra charge."

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

But if you don't pay for late checkout, you can still check out. If you don't pay for extra DLC, you just don't get to use whatever is in the DLC full stop

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

It is better to buy for the emperor than save for yourself

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

the emperor is nickel and diming me to build his golden throne 😭

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Better wait a bit, until the inofficial beta is over, Denuvo or not.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I would hesitate to call our foes "Intelligences," but they are most certainly Abominable, brother.

[-] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago

This seems really promising. Unfortunately, I expect they'll still use Steam DRM, but everything I've heard so far is immensely promising so who know, maybe we'll get lucky and they'll skip even that.

[-] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago

Steam DRM is nothing like stuff people should be aware of. Ask any modder for confirmation.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Modder here. Denuvo has absolutely no effect on modding. Steam DRM checks the integrity of the executable and also crashes on breakpoints. That said, it's easy to remove with Steamless. Memory hacks work fine.

Edit: However, Space Marine 2 is going to use EAC, which is a kernel-level anti-cheat which prevents any modding short of utilizing or creating private hacks that may involve rogue system drivers.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Hard disagree on denuvo. If it's no problem for you then you must have tons of experience in re. Which puts you into some 1%-ish group. Depends on the type of mods you do of course.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I do have the experience but if you attach a debugger to a non-Denuvo or a Denuvo game, then have any hacker/modder come into the room and look at the code, manipulate it or inject new code, they won't notice the difference or face any obstacles.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Dammit, EAC may be an issue on Linux though. It's kinda hit or miss whether a given developer will take the extra steps, particularly given the conflicting sources on just how complex it actually is. According to Valve, it's a checkbox and dropping a file in your depot. Others claim it would require an Epic Online Services version of EAC, with all the baggage that carries, including potentially rewriting a whole chunk of your code.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I had read they have confirmed the game will be coming to steam deck shortly after, so I assume this will be working on Linux day one. I play on Linux and enjoy Warhammer so will be purchasing this game with that assumption.

Edit to include a link to the article I had read: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/08/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2-will-get-steam-deck-support/

[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Of course. Doesn't mean its not nice to be able to avoid it though. Personally, it will have no real impact on my purchasing decision, but the less DRM, the better.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not that I would know, but you definitely can't remove it with a single piece of software

Edit: /s

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

You can. Google steamless.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's my bad for not adding a /s. I was a regular on rin

[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

They don't need Denuvo protection because the Emperor protects.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

They are going to use EAC though, which is arguably an even worse inclusion than Denuvo, even if it's not a DRM

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

If I had any expendable income right now, I'd preorder for that stance alone.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Just in case they run out of digital copies

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

...why the overspecific denial? Will it be involved at a later date?

[-] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

Is "No." an over-specific denial?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

"Will this game have DRM?"

"No."

"Why are you overly specific?"

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Yep, that's my read as well. No idea what he's talking about.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

No, it's the "at launch" part that was added.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

You mean the "at launch" part that the writer added to the article and isn't a part of the official Saber statement? Something you'd know if you read the article past the introductory paragraph?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Yes, that "at launch". But you trust that FAQ, not like I want to do anything about that.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Have you considered taking therapy? Because you're literally making up shit to hate on a game, it's not healthy.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I'm sharing my distrust in the communication to the players based on shit that happened in the past. But thanks for the personal attack disguised as concern.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Actually I found it pretty disturbing that you'd make shit up just to throw a shade, so I'd consider the concern genuine even if poorly communicated.

Seriously, normal people don't go "but what if they're lying" any time something is said.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Well your stance is "don't trust them" because they could lie. Then why listen to anything they say at all or engage in the convo?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Interesting choices of questions. I don't listen to what they say, I look at what they did. Hence my opinion.

Why do I engage in this convo? Not much to do on a Monday evening. Why do you engage in this convo?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Well I was looking for an engaging convo, not chat with someone doesn't trust anyone or anything. It seems there's no shared perception of reality we can have a conversation about, it happens.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

From the FAQ:

Q: Does the game use DRM software (ie. Denuvo…)?

A: No.

What "at launch" part?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The "at launch" part in the article, right there. But you can trust the nonbinding FAQ.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

We also learn in the FAQ that Easy Anti Cheat will be used on PC at launch

I'm sorry, but what part of that says Denuvo or DRM?

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

The part the writer made up?

You seem to not trust anyone except the person who wrote the article and just literally made up that part to add. That's the only part you have faith in?

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It’s just an easy marketing dunk especially when denovo news was trending a bit this week

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

That sounds like something I can see them do. Engage the haters (me, when talking about denuvo) with the bright minded people that weren't tricked often enough, for more publicity.

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