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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (22 children)

Do people here not generally dislike government censorship? The root of this seems to be x refusing the country's government's demands to ban certain people

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

It is well established that the right to free speech is NOT unlimited, and the "fire in a crowded theater" people tend to be the loudest complainers. Brazil is a sovereign nation entitled to its own interpretation of how to handle free speech protections, and X has repeatedly made the claim they obey the laws of the countries in which it operates.

Also, it's disingenuous of anybody to take X's side on this over free speech when the past two years they have complied with basically every single request from every government for personal identifying information for any user. People are serving multi-decade prison sentences for their speech because X has refused to stand up to, for example, the government of Saudi Arabia when demanding the identities of state critics.

So it's okay to kowtow to governments when they want to violate the right to privacy, but not when they want to shut down speech which is outside a sovereign nation's definition of free speech? And let's be clear - we were talking about 7 users.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say it's reasonable for a company to violate ONE right for a government under absolutely unethical circumstances and not another under SLIGHTLY debatable circumstances and expect anybody to take your position seriously. X is not a freedom fighter, and it's not an actor for justice. It's a partisan cesspool run by a man who is stacking the deck for the side he wants when it serves his interests.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

We don't dislike government censorship of CSAM. it's all a spectrum based on the legitimacy of the government order and the legitimacy of the tech billionaire's refusal to abide.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Honestly, while I think CSAM is disgusting, I am kind of against government censorship of it. Some go so far as to ban anything resembling CSAM, including imagery that looks like it, but doesn't actually involve a real child. The problem is the abuse required to create it, but if that abuse didn't happen, there is no crime, and it should therefore be completely legal.

The same goes with free speech more broadly. The speech itself should never be illegal, but it should be usable as evidence of another crime. A threat of violence is the crime, and that should be prosecuted, but that shouldn't mean the government should force the host to censor the speech, that should be at the host's discretion. What the government can do is subpoena information relevant to the investigation, but IMO it shouldn't compel any entity to remove content.

That said, Brazilian law isn't the same as US law, and X and Space X should respect the laws of all of the countries in which they operate.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

So Nazi's eh? I hate Nazi's. Let's unravel this knotted beast a bit. If the Brazilian citizens are posting illegal content, arrest them. Forcefully cut off their internet, -snip snip- done, seize their bank accounts, works on Russia. It should never be the job of a privately owned corporation to enforce the law when the law is perfectly capable of neutralizing the offending entities and enforcing the rules it's own damn self, are they going to make it illegal for Walmart to sell them a cell phone? Couldn't they just create a new account with a new email over VPN? Wouldn't it be easier if the citizens are breaking the law to arrest them rather than take away their Twitter account? I am not a fan of that fat musky sum bitch, but there is literally no reason that judge has to go after X(I really hate that name), other than he's swinging his dick around and doesn't like to be told to put some damn underwear on. Arrest the citizens if they are breaking the law, if they aren't breaking the law then what gives anyone the right to silence them? Just an egomaniac judge with no actual laws backing him and a tiny shvance facing off against a megalomaniac with a tiny shvance that consistently protects only the free speech he agrees with. There. Unknotted. If the people of Brazil want Nazi propaganda to end in a prison sentence, it should be law, and then all Twitter has to do is the same thing it does with other illegal content, turn over the user to the authorities and wash their hands of the mess. Not some judge unilaterally making free speech decisions(even in Brazil)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

That Nazi propaganda spreading user? Elon Musk.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

This statement was later retracted. The Engadget article was redacted accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Edit: Updated the title to reflect the update in the story. Seeing some comments from people who haven’t actually read the article.

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