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We are excited to announce that Arch Linux is entering into a direct collaboration with Valve. Valve is generously providing backing for two critical projects that will have a huge impact on our distribution: a build service infrastructure and a secure signing enclave. By supporting work on a freelance basis for these topics, Valve enables us to work on them without being limited solely by the free time of our volunteers.

This opportunity allows us to address some of the biggest outstanding challenges we have been facing for a while. The collaboration will speed-up the progress that would otherwise take much longer for us to achieve, and will ultimately unblock us from finally pursuing some of our planned endeavors. We are incredibly grateful for Valve to make this possible and for their explicit commitment to help and support Arch Linux.

These projects will follow our usual development and consensus-building workflows. [RFCs] will be created for any wide-ranging changes. Discussions on this mailing list as well as issue, milestone and epic planning in our GitLab will provide transparency and insight into the work. We believe this collaboration will greatly benefit Arch Linux, and are looking forward to share further development on this mailing list as work progresses.

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[–] [email protected] 361 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Some extra fun details from the staff discussions around this: Valve is not interested in control of the distro, but are mainly interested in funding work on projects that are chosen by Arch staff, and are already things that Arch staff wants to implement. The projects chosen are indeed things that Valve also want to be part of the distro's infrastructure, but the process has been totally in the hands of Arch staff.

I gotta say, it's been really cool to see Valve go through the process of considering OSS as not just a useful tool or worthwhile target, but as a robust collaborator.

First, they build and maintain their client on Linux, and build their games to run natively on Linux, learning that things aren't actually as difficult as it's commonly made out to be, and the things that are more difficult than they need to be can be fixed by working with and contributing to the existing community.

Then they consider building their own hardware, but try the half-way approach of building SteamOS on top of Debian, and depending on existing hardware vendors to build machines with SteamOS in mind, learning that there's a lot of unnecessary complexity around both of those approaches to that goal.

Then they learn how to develop and build 1st party hardware with the SteamLink and Steam Controller.

Then they put the lessons from the Steam Machine project into practice by dumping loads of time and effort into Proton, knowing that they won't have the market unless they can get Windows games to run on Linux in a reliable and seamless way.

Then they put all that knowledge and effort together to do the impossible: unite PC gamers of both Windows and Linux flavors under the banner of the SteamDeck, a fully gaming-focused, high-quality, and owner-friendly piece of kit that kicks so much ass that it single-handedly pulls a whole category of PC hardware out of obsurity and into the mainstream.

And what do they do with that success? Literally pay it forward by funding work on the free software that forms the plinth that their success stands upon.

Good on Valve.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I love that you can even edit the boot logos. Always a treat to see another one every time.

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[–] [email protected] 230 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Valve is a Titan doing incredible work for the open source community and making money while doing so.

Successful open source software business model at work. Way to go.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Successful open source software business model at work. Way to go.

I don't think FOSS represents a lot of how they make money, the money making is probably all closed source, so I don't think it's a good example. It's more like a for-profit company also doing so good quality charity work on the side. It's mostly good for their image and a way to tell Windows that they could go without them if they don't collaborate.
I fully enjoy what they have been doing as a Linux only patient gamer for the past years, but I am realistic.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

In reality, it's likely a self-preservation move. Microsoft made what appeared to be a monopolistic move to control the entire Windows ecosystem when they added their own app store and the locked down S edition of Windows. If Valve both hadn't invested in Linux and Microsoft hadn't halted going down that path, they would have been screwed.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

I’d doubt that. Everyone hated S mode: Corporate hated it, power users hated it, newbies…probably ignored it. Even if MS continued down it, it’d just be like Digg v4.

Personally, I think the profit incentive is a way to improve SteamOS further for free.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Successful open source software business model at work. Way to go.

Their main product is a proprietary software launcher that for decades has pushed videogames and the whole industry into a closed environment making them billions. It's good that they are now supporting linux and collaborating in open source projects but let's not forget who they are.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Let's also not forget how absolutely groundbreaking Steam was for digital distribution.

I really have a hard time accepting that they "pushed" the industry rather than that they offered a platform with features that were worlds beyond what was available at the time for game developers and publishers. No one was bribed. There were no shady backroom deals. No assassinations of competitors (in fact the opposite, doing experiments with cross platform purchases with the PS3 and with GOG). There was no embrace extend extinguish, as there was nothing already existing like it to embrace or extinguish.

Also saying that they are now supporting linux and open source is ignoring a long history of their work with linux. This isn't something new for them. What's new is yet another large step forward in their investment, not their involvement.


Look, like you, I am concerned about their level of control over digital distribution game sales for the PC market. But from a practical standpoint I find them incredibly hard to have any large amount of negative feelings about them due to their track record, and the fact that they are not a publicly traded company so they are not beholden to the normal shareholder drive for profit at any cost. I'd love to hear more reasons to be concerned if any exist rather than "proprietary" and "too big".

On top of that, Steam DRM is pretty notably easy to bypass, with what appears to be relatively little effort from Valve to eliminate the methods. They aren't doing the normal rat race back and forth between crackers and the DRM devs that you would expect.

Anyway, again I'll say: I'd love to hear more reasons to be concerned beyond "proprietary" and "too big".

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (14 children)

I'd like to see a Sankey graph of where Valve's money goes before I praise them that much for helping out a Linux distribution a bit.

Lots of major companies like Microsoft and IBM also contribute to Linux, it doesn't make them saints nor even necessarily compare to what they get for using the volunteer dev work inside Linux.

Gabe Newell is a billionaire, Steam is a defacto monopoly that objectively charges more than they have to, and literally everyone who works at Valve is in the 1%. Let's not fall over ourselves dick-riding them.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 months ago (29 children)

Oh come on. Mr negativity over here. FFS Valve has been a godsend compared to the likes of EA or Blizzard. I bet you complain when you get ice cream that it's too cold

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (13 children)

Being cautious of a corporation is never a bad thing, but remember: Valve isn't a public company. They don't have the same incentives and fiduciary duties that led to the enshittification of most other companies and services.

Ultimately, yes, everything they do is entirely for their own benefit. But, they're also free to focus on their long-term growth and returns. As long as the leadership doesn't get changed to a bunch of shit-for-brains golden parachute MBAs, they're going to want to keep their customers happy. It's good for them, and it's not terrible for us. Everybody wins.

I would prefer they were a nonprofit, but I'm not going to complain when the mainstream alternatives to Steam are mostly comprised of shitty sales-focused storefronts created by companies beholden to their investors.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (20 children)

I'd like to see a Sankey graph of where Valve's money goes before I praise them that much for helping out a Linux distribution a bit.

I'd say it's a lot more than "a bit". It's an enormous amount of help that pretty much everyone in the Linux (professional) community can, has, and will attest to.

I don't agree that they're a monopoly, because they've done absolutely nothing to prevent competition. Other stores do it to themselves.

I do agree though that their fees are exorbitant and their contributions to Linux are a teeny tiny fraction of their wealth, but I appreciate it regardless.

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[–] [email protected] 175 points 6 months ago

Valve: "Yeah, we funded Arch (btw)"

[–] [email protected] 97 points 6 months ago

Valve are such Chads.

[–] PenisDuckCuck9001 70 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Seeing a large company doing anything involving Linux besides blocking its users from using their product is a rare occurance these days.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm just waiting for some FOSS purist to find fault in this.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 months ago (6 children)

FOSS purists are too busy malding over systemd, and Steam being proprietary DRM, and games being closed-source.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Steam being proprietary DRM, and games being closed-source.

Better not tell anyone about DRM-free open source games on Steam then. Wouldn't wanna burst anyone's bubble.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I use OpenRC, and play OpenTTD, OpenRA and Tux Racer.

OpenTTD is on Steam, btw

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As per Arch wiki

Arch is a pragmatic distribution rather than an ideological one.

If you're a FOSS purist, you shouldn't run Arch ethier way, because providing proprietary software for those who want it is one of the core principles of Arch.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Along with the recent Frog Wayland stuff, I'm happy to see Valve is gonna help linux desktop again lol.

From reddit:

Anybody remembers Linus saying "I hope Valve comes and fixes the packaging issue on Linux"? (yeah, on that ancient DebConf)

I hope Valve comes and fixes the very slowness of anything Wayland.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago

It's stuff like this that restores my faith in humanity.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago

I use Steam btw

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Using OSS in your product and giving the OSS devs resources to improve their software, instead of trying to take over their project? Did Valve not get the memo that big tech companies are supposed to be evil?? Oh right, they have a monopoly on video game distribution and all of their products rely on DRM.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 months ago (1 children)

they have a monopoly on video game distribution

People who claim that Valve has a monopoly on PC games are already wrong but you claim that they have a monopoly on video game distribution in general is outrageously false. The 2022 overall video game revenue was a bit over US$180Bn. The PC game revenue was US$45Bn. In 2023, all of Steam was responsible for US$8.6Bn in revenue. The biggest PC games (Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox) aren't even on Steam and neither are any console or phone games.

Criticize Valve for actual things to criticize them for. Don't spread misinformation.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago

I have many games I own on Steam that I can play portably from a flash drive without Steam. DRM is still on the developer.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago

They have a monopoly on video game distribution.

They have a massive marketshare, but that doesn't make them a monopoly. Developers are still free to distribute their games through any other storefront/launcher, and Valve isn't going out of its way to engage in anticompetitive practices like exclusive publishing deals with third-party studios.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Monopoly", other platforms are free to compete, Valve isn't actively trying to stop them

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Comment OP appears to have drank the Epic Games Kool-aid.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

Comment OP appears to have drank the Epic Games Kool-aid.

The world's biggest video game, Fortnite, is only available on Epic Games Store for most platforms. Epic's market share is gigantic, other video game developers just don't benefit of it because Epic promotes their own stuff first and foremost. If Epic had a storefront monopoly, it would be classified as anti-competitive behaviour.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

they have a monopoly on video game distribution

Last I heard you could buy games from GOG or Epic and install them on a Steam deck produced and subsidized by Valve.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (4 children)

You might be too young to remember, but DRM existed way before Steam, and the worse ones that exist today are the ones that the Devs/publishers add, not the steam one.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago

Dude this is seriously cool as fuck. Valves contributions are priceless to the future of Arch and the rest of the Linux ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago

Man it sure is a good day to be both a Valve and Arch fanboy.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Actually huge news. Linux as a whole benefits and needs more of this imo.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Great news! Crazy to think that Valve is hijacking/liberating the Windows gaming library. You would think that Microsoft would be doing more to prevent this.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

Yo a distro collabing with a corporation this is soo fire 🔥🔥🔥

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (19 children)

alright, time to wipe my Mint test/fun build and try out Arch. I don't do much with Linux but it's gonna be fun getting back into it. Who doesn't love the smell of a fresh OS install

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It's really good news that there's another company behind Wayland now.

RH frankly directs it against people using "marginal" setups and applications, thus less influenced by it, and not for some ambitious goal.

Valve tend to be well-meaning guys. Anyway, in this case it's in their business interest to be well-meaning.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Would someone elucidate as to what this means for a normie PC gamer and begrudging windows user?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would say this is great news all around. With SteamOS pushing the Linux market share higher than it's ever been, and a partnership with Arch to boost direct development, this could mean other companies taking a hard look at Linux and either developing native software or ensuring proton compatibility out of the gate.

I'm imagining "Runs on Arch" markers on software like the old "Works on Windows '95" stickers I used to see everywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Pretty much just that Arch Linux will be more secure, stable and reliable.

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