We need to be ready to march in the streets if SCOTUS tries to pull some fuckery. They're not even supposed to be in the loop on elections. That's the newly elected Congress' job.
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We need to be ready to march in the streets if entities like local precinct offices or the Georgia Election Board try to pull some fuckery too, long before the fuckery even makes it to the MAGA SCOTUS.
If you're not marching with guillotines at the ready, there is no point in marching at all.
Hate to break it to ya, but marching in the streets won't solve this. More drastic measures would have to take place, and frankly I don't see that happening.
If SC tries to hand the country over to a lying fascist insurrectionist there will be drastic measures. If they don't respect the rule of law then that's the breaking point where we stop respecting their laws. Biden has insane immunity coverage courtesy of the SC so we can start with some "official acts" of removal and see how all this plays out.
LARP. Sounds amazing, really. But they stopped respecting the law long ago and nobody has done or will do jack shit about it.
I like to think so, but I honestly think people would maybe protest a bit but then everyone would go back to work and shrug their shoulders. I'd love to be wrong though.
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On the contrary a massive number of people on the streets is the only way we've seen effective change in the past couple decades. Violence has led to protracted conflicts with a low rate of success.
Examples, please
Ukraine is probably the most recent example. Russia invaded them but before that they threw their president out purely with people in the street.
In Egypt they caused a change of governance that wasn't a total improvement but was an improvement.
In Tunisia and Algeria they got favorable changes in government.
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They don't have any, they just know you're supposed to say "take to the streets" because they think they're a 1960s radical rehearsing boomer protest tactics. As though things might not have changed in the last 60 years.
Counter-protest tactics have continuously adapted and evolved -- from technology to legislation to media manipulation. Protest tactics have not kept pace, evidenced by the fact that this person thinks street protests have created effective change in the last 20 years.
Buddy, I just fucking woke up. This isn't a voice conversation.
Well, there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#Overview
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Ready for more than marching.
If they pull another Brooks Brother or similar, then we fight.
Sure, yeah, that'll be when we finally "fight." Totally. We're right behind you.
If it comes to the supreme court, its over. Harris needs a minimum of a two state win over Trump. That means she needs to pick up one or both AZ and NC, and PA. GA is out because its basically automatic recount fuckery.
There is another thread about this elsewhere, but way the table is set, it looks like Harris is on track to either a) lose outright, or b) lose at the SC.
Which is why we can't give in to defeatism and it's dangerous to frame discussion with the notion that Harris is "on track to [...] lose." It's not over until the election is over.
Nothing is guaranteed in this election. Talk of Harris as though she's definitely going to win or definitely going to lose only serves to depress voter turnout because people think their votes aren't necessary.
Vote like your rights depend on it; encourage everyone you know to do the same.
is why we can’t give in to defeatism
No, we can't engage in self delusion.
and it’s dangerous to frame discussion with the notion that Harris is “on track to […] lose.”
No, its dangerous to stand in denial of the evidence. Hopes not going to get you there. The evidence we have right now suggest we might not even have to worry about SC fuckery.
The ONLY thing that can be done is to stop with this trite, delusional thinking, and to stop advocating for this candidate blindly. That kind of toxic blindness is why the candidate is suffering. Accepting less from your candidate means they don't do as well on election day. We need to demand better from her because if she doesn't do better, she wont win.
This comment is incoherent.
Something you dont agree with <> Something incoherent
Your comment just makes no sense. I can’t even say I disagree with you because you have no point — there’s no propositional content with which anyone can agree or disagree.
So your claim is that the set of claims I made contain no claims.
oh ok, yeah .sure.
There are stories written about people that fight for what's right and win.
There are also stories about people that fight for what's right and lose.
Nobody ever writes anything about those that give up, regardless of the outcome. Gone and forgotten... as they should be because they contributed nothing.
I'd rather be either of the first two options than the third. It's a Pascal's wager kind of thing... defeatism isn't actually smart, because it makes you the loser in every outcome.
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Self delusion...? Supporting candidates blindly?
Trump has no platform to support. It's all hate and hypocrisy.
The amount of mental gymnastics you go through must be tiring. Either that or you're a disingenuous piece of shit.
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She can just certify the vote for herself and Biden can just “official act” any scenario he wishes— per the $upremely Courted’s rulings and fuckery.
In Bush v Gore SCOTUS inserted itself before the constitutional remedy of a congressional ballot could be held. There's no reason to think they won't do it again.
I mean, do you think she has the nuts?
Indeed, citizen #14047439! Have you enlisted in the ranks of the inevitable ruler-for-life yet to show your True Patriot loyalty? After all, his reign is inevitable and cannot be stopped, and nothing can be done! Will your jackboots be shined and your uniform crisp when he is inevitably and without any possibility of resistance given the eternal throne?
I dont know what any of that drivel means. You sound like an idiot.
I said if you're this defeatist about the outcome, why not put on a pair of jackboots and join the ranks of the thugs in uniform? After all, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Being clear eyed about reality is the only way we can make a difference. Pretending things are other than they are is how and why things have gotten so out of control. It sucks Harris isn't doing better. I want her to do better. But she isn't.
We need to demand better from her on Israel/ Palestine, or we lose this election.
You really think that her going hard on that issue will increase her chances of winning in the swing states? Who would that change the minds of, the "undecided"?
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On track based on what? Polling numbers? LOL.
The polling numbers are meaningless right now. Young people don't answer the phone for pollsters calling from unknown numbers. and people who voted for Trump in the past and have since realized they were conned and won't turn up to vote again are not going to have a chat with a pollster about who they'll vote for. So pollsters can't really assess the vote from the younger generation and everyone they talk to who voted for Trump in the past are going to say they're voting for him again or they wouldn't have answer the polls. Also consider women in religious community not wanted to be overheard saying they want to vote for Harris because of reproductive rights.
I don't fault pollsters, they're doing the best they can. But people talking about election predictions are just talking out their asses. This election is so far out the norm it's like asking a scientist to predict the behavior of an animal that was just discovered five minutes ago.
Yeah we'll just compare the data we're getting to the last time a convicted felon that's gone senile that had legal precedent overturned that resulted in people's rights taken away when a significant portion of the electorate has had their brains scrambled by social media that's run by a parodies of a James Bond villains. We've got so much empirical evidence we can use for a baseline for this, so we're absolutely certain what will happen!
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