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Well, this just got darker.

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[–] [email protected] 178 points 5 months ago (38 children)

I actually don't think this is shocking or something that needs to be "investigated." Other than the sketchy website that doesn't secure user's data, that is.

Actual child abuse / grooming happens on social media, chat services, and local churches. Not in a one on one between a user and a llm.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago

It's the "burn that witch" reaction.

See how they hate pedophiles and not child rapists.

The crowd wants to feel its power by condemning (and lynching if possible) someone.

I'd rather want to investigate those calling for "investigation" and further violation of privacy of people who for all we know have committed no crime.

That's about freedom of speech and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and thousand hills radio, you know the argument.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 5 months ago

insert surprised pikachu face here

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wait… so you meant to tell me that predatory simps are using AI incorrectly? Man…. If only someone could have called this years ago- something could have been done to minimize it!

Who knew that unchecked growth could lead to negative results?!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (6 children)

But they did, AI Dungeon got nerfed so bad you could only have happy adventures with.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago

Not at all surprising but also it is an AI

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Ain't that what are the tools there for. I mean I don't like cp and I don't want to engage in way with people who like it. But I use those llms to describe fantasies that I wouldn't even talk about with other humans.

As long as they don't do it on real humans nobody is hurt.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The problem with AI generated CP is that if they're legal, it opens a new line of defense for actual CP. You would need to prove the content is not AI to convince real abusers. This is why it can't be made legal, it needs to be prosecuted like real CP to be sure to convict actual abusers.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

This is an incredibly itchy and complicated theme. So I will try not go go really further into it.

But prosecute what is essentially a work of fiction seems bad.

This it not even a topic new to the AI. CP has been wildly represented in both written and graphical media. And the consensus in most free countries is not to prosecute those as they are a work of fiction.

I cannot think why an AI written CP fiction is different from human written CP fiction.

I suppose "AI big bad" justify it for some. But for me there should be a logical explanation behind if we would began to prosecute works of fiction why some will be prosecuted and why other will not. Specially when the one that's being prosecuted is just regurgitating the human written stories about CP that are not being prosecuted nowadays.

I essentially think that a work of fiction should never be prosecuted to begin with, no matter the topic. And I also think that an AI writing about CP is no worse than an actual human doing the same thing.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A bit off topic... But from my understanding, the US currently doesn't have a single federal agency that is responsible for AI regulation... However, there is an agency for child abuse protection: the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect within Department of HHS

If AI girlfriends generating CSAM is how we get AI regulation in the US, I'd be equally surprised and appalled

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

This is a weird one, because while fantasy is fantasy, and doesn't necessarily indicate an intention to act on anything, these people were dumb enough to share these specific fantasies with some random AI porn site. That's got to be an indicator of poor impulse control, right?

That alone should probably warrant immediate FBI background checks, or whatever relevant agencies have jurisdiction for these types of criminal investigations in each user's locality.

Of course, I am saying it's without actually having read any of the chats. So it's possible my opinion would change from "this should be investigated", to summary executions and burn the bodies for good measure... but no way I'm reading those fucking chats.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Just to be clear, are you saying that people should be investigated by the police for fictional stories that they read?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Anyolduser 18 points 5 months ago

Tomato, to-illegal.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

No, I am saying that sharing fantasies about underage children with a shady and poorly designed AI porn site, shows a serious lack of judgement and impulse control.

For that reason, yeah, they probably deserve having a quick review of their life to make sure that's the only poor choice they've made in regards to that particular fantasy.

And they weren't just reading, they were prompting the LLM model to generate these specific fantasies. They didn't just come across a fucked up website and read a few forum posts.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago (14 children)

If we investigated everyone with poor impulse control, we'd be investigating 80% of the world.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

I'm just saying, police investigation of fiction creators and readers for the content of their fiction is way over the line of a lot of social and political norms.

(Also, I think you'll find that police abuse children a lot more than pervy fiction fans do; so really, who should be investigating whom? Investigation into crime is supposed to start with evidence that a crime actually occurred — not with your personal disgust towards someone's reading matter.)

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (32 children)

Paywall. That site frankly does not even look legit and looking at the plethora of other AI sites I don't know who would use this one. It's not even displaying correctly and has like 0 information on anything. If I were to stumble upon that site I'd think it is shady as hell.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You are almost definitely getting downvoted because it sounds like you're saying 404media is not legit. I realize that you're not, but I'll admit I interpreted it incorrectly at first.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

I mean, a lot of women get raped as a child, sadly

So its pretty realistic for an AI gf to talk about her past trama of child sexual abuse. I don't think we should be upset about this..

We need to talk about rape culture to end rape culture

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