Am I to be expected to shoulder personal blame for that genocide too? Because the one in Gaza is already apparently my fault because of my ancestry.
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Edit: I'm sorry, I did the worst possible Internet thing and assumed intent and perspective. Clearly I was in the wrong and I deleted my comment
I am not the one making genocide about me.
It's all the other people claiming I'm the one responsible for the genocide.
If you were on the receiving end of "do you renounce Israel's actions" and "you killed Jesus" on a regular basis, you'd understand.
Similarly, ask a Muslim how they feel every time there's a Muslim terrorist that does something atrocious. You'll get a very similar answer: "am I going to have to tell people I had nothing to do with this one too?"
Edit: The Octonaut just proved my point for me.
I'm sorry, I did the worst possible Internet thing and assumed intent and perspective. Clearly I was in the wrong. I deleted my comment for being unproductive in the first place
No worries. Thank you.
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The vast majority of zionists in usa are christian.
If someone supports zionism, then yes the genocide is partially their fault.
Otherwise, stop complaining and join the resistance.
Not that it's any of your fucking business, but I'm part of Jewish Voices for Peace.
Also not that it's any of your business, but I can't go out and protest because I'm suffering from a long-term illness which gives me low energy, so I have to keep my activism confined to writing and phone calling.
And thanks for proving my point. I have to justify myself to people like you because you automatically just assume someone who is Jewish is a Zionist unless they specifically tell you otherwise.
Not that it’s any of your fucking business,
You're the one who brought it up.
I’m part of Jewish Voices for Peace.
Cool. I appreciate knowing that. I try to spend minimal time online. Thanks for being a decent person.
I can’t go out and protest because I’m suffering from a long-term illness
Sorry about that. I didn't literally mean protest but more resistance. I changed the wording.
I have to justify myself to people like you because you automatically just assume someone who is Jewish is a Zionist unless they specifically tell you otherwise.
You asked if you're to "shoulder blame" for the genocide so I asked about your position on zionism. This is a completely reasonable response.
My conclusion is that you're not to blame for this genocide. Doing much better than most people.
I brought it up specifically to show that people like you assume Jews support Israel unless they prove otherwise. And you showed that I was right.
I bet you'd never assume a Muslim supports terrorism unless they prove otherwise.
Thanks for being a decent person.
I wish I could say the same for you.
If someone asks me if they should be responsible for genocide, and I respond by asking if they support genocide... Am I somehow bad?
You didn't even mention being jewish but it's mostly irrelevant. The vast majority of zionists in usa are christian.
I said nothing about "they." This is what I said:
Am I to be expected to shoulder personal blame for that genocide too? Because the one in Gaza is already apparently my fault because of my ancestry.
And the second sentence makes it very clear that I'm Jewish.
You either didn't actually bother reading what I wrote or you're being very dishonest right now.
I brought up "they" because it doesn't matter if it's you or somebody else. It doesn't matter if you're jewish zionist or christian zionist or atheist zionist or whatever.
If someone asks if they're responsible for genocide, it's completely reasonable to ask if they support genocide. Thank you again for saying no.
I bet you’d never assume a Muslim supports terrorism unless they prove otherwise.
I would advise you cease with the islamophobia though. It doesn't help anybody to promote the narrative of jews vs muslims. Nor the narrative of muslims as terrorists. If you're actually concerned about these things (doubtful), I recommend ceasing with the racist BS. It's a symptom of your extreme privilege.
Why did you lie about me deleting a comment? It was a very silly lie when everyone can see that a comment was deleted, so why did you make it?
Also, your "extreme privilege" thing suggests you don't believe antisemitism exists. I hope you realize that.
The way you respond makes me think you intentionally want to get into arguments
What am I supposed to say? "You're right, I'm a Jew, therefore go Israel!"
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(I love how people down vote the removed comment.
Way to teach me a lesson! )
Jesus fuck.
Can't make an absolutely factual and direct comparison between Columbus and netanyahoo without some fucking idiot removing my comment.
Both were Jewish. Both were Spanish. Both set on foreign soil -killing the native people in an expansionist scheme of looting land. Both were racist. Both committed genocide.
These are 100% true.
Columbus is an asshole. Bibi is an asshole.
Fucking read instead of getting pissed off at me because you are offended.
Also, again, fuck whoever removed my comment.
As a native of Central America, way to minimize the genocide of my people while obsessing on trends.
European colonizers killed 56 million of my people 56 fucking million. My tribe was being genocided in the 1940s as well, and later in the 80s by Americans. Americans who now moralize and take the high ground, while ignoring their own atrocities
I'm not american.
Genocide is fucking horrific. Whether Armenians, native American (north and south), the holocaust etc.
I'm not minimising.
If a current genocide isn't important, because they haven't killed enough people yet...
If you think it's a fucking 'trend' (seriously, wtf) I feel bad for you.
I don't ignore the horrors my country has done.
I am loud and I am an ally to the first nations.
I call out the ongoing genocide here as well.
I call out our police and politicians and institutions.
If comparing two evils is a no-no, well I guess I'll just stop saying anything about anything because one might be more evil and that's bad.
I'm sorry for the pains of your past. Help stop the pains of others futures.
I wonder who's least pleased by this: Italian bigots, Spanish non-bigots, or Jewish non-bigots?
I'm Jewish and I don't think I'm a bigot and I am not pleased by this only in the sense of, as I already suggested, people deciding I need to shoulder that blame directly as a Jew along with Gaza and the execution of Jesus.
I don't think his ancestry really matters. I think his actions do.
But it's interesting on an academic level.
That's basically the only common sense reaction heh. The purpose of my comment was mostly/solely to make fun of bigots including Columbus/Colon/Colombo/Cobra or whatever his real name was 😁
And it's already happened in this comment section. 1 hour within me posting. Sigh.
Is that supposed to explain why he was known to be an asshole?
Famous Jewish assholes: Judy Blume, Elie Wiesel, Albert Einstein, Jonas Salk, Mel Brooks, Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders and, of course, the queen asshole herself, Anne Frank.
Bernie Sanders is an asshole? Never seen him portrayed as such.
No he isn't. And Anne Frank wasn't the queen asshole herself. What does that suggest about my comment?
That you didn't understand my ~~own~~ previous comment?
My comment: sarcastically claiming a list of really cool people who were Jewish and definitely not assholes were actually assholes.
You: "Bernie Sanders is an asshole? Never seen him portrayed as such."
What am I not understanding?
I don't know. What do they have to do with Columbus being known as an asshole?
Ah, so that's the part we were at.
Cool.
Headline: "Christopher Columbus was Spanish and Jewish, documentary reveals"
You: "Is that supposed to explain why he was known to be an asshole?"
So if you didn't mean being a Jew explained why he was an asshole, did you mean that being Spanish explained why he was an asshole? Because I can list plenty of non-asshole people from Spain too.
Well, you really didn't understand my comment then. It was a jab at the title.
Does his ancestry change any of his deeds? Nope. So he was part Jew. Whoop-dee-doo. Who cares. Why should it matter?
Looking at the downvotes, I don't think I was the only one who misunderstood, but thank you for clarifying. I agree. It only matters in an academic sense.
Nah, it's fine. Communication is difficult and misunderstandings happen all the time. Can't be helped really since we all have different sets of knowledge and perspective.
If someone misunderstands what you've said, the fault lies with you.
Good communicators know this and take the time to make sure their comments are conveyed accordingly.
An example of why I believe you to be wrong.
https://esoftskills.com/what-is-a-disadvantage-of-written-communication/?amp=1
FYI the official internet vernacular to denote sarcasm or satire for a comment is to end the comment with backslash and the letter "S" like this: "/s"
If you can't recognize that someone calling Anne Frank and Albert Einstein assholes is being sarcastic, I think you have bigger language issues.
Oh you mean language issues commonly found in platforms that has individual instances independent to their creators that are frequented byendusers all across the globe that allows posings to be shared across all joining instances regardless of native language? My fucking word what a knockout homerun platform that would be! Could you imagine if this imaginary platform was also unfederated too?!?! Fuck that's such a million dollar idea I might abandon my pet rock get rich quick scheme I've been working on.
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Nativist assholes: "Columbus was a hero!"
Did you know he was Jewish?
Nativist assholes: "Wait what? That scumbag fuck!"
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