“Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has ordered preparations for the annexation of the occupied West Bank ahead of US President-elect Donald Trump taking office in January 2025.”
For the American voters to make sure it sinks in.
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But Harris was responsible of this genocide!!! Turd said he would solve the war in a day!!!1!!1!!111!one!!1
And that's actually true. He'd just let Israel complete the genocide.
The Harris campaign made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of a +6 points gain. That's the fault of the campaign's calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with Liz Cheney and having the most lethal Military.
I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It's still on the campaign. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
- Split Ticket (July 2024)
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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
- New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)
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- Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)
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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
Let's be honest, I voted for Harris. But her message was essentially:
"Vote for Kamala Harris. She will enable a slow genocide. But her opponent, Donald Trump, will enable a fast genocide. She is clearly the superior choice."
Saying that Kamala would be better than Trump was objectively true. However, it was also just shit, brain-dead, zero-awareness messaging. You cannot practically run on a message of, "yes, I will enable genocide, but my opponent will enable it WORSE!"
It's just a shit, poorly thought out message. Who actually is this for? Those pro-Zionist voters won't be persuaded either way. Those who want to see the Palestinians genocided will go with Trump instead, as he'll get the job done faster. Those opposed to genocide were asked to hold their nose and vote for someone who should be on trial at the Hague, simply because she was running against someone who deserves to be on trial at the Hague even more!
It's like running a campaign saying, "yes, I have some Nazi tendencies, but my opponent is a full-on avowed Nazi. My opponent is objectively worse."
A statement can be true, while also being just complete shit in terms of campaign strategy.
"Yes, my candidate is Mussolini, but her opponent is Hitler! Clearly a vote for Mussolini is better than a vote for Hitler!"
"Yes, my candidate is Mussolini, but her opponent is Hitler! Clearly a vote for Mussolini is better than a vote for Hitler!"
Why would you be criticising Mussolini if you didn't secretly want Hitler to win?! I cannot possibly come up with any other explanation. You must be trying to trick us.
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Take massive bribes from Israeli funders, actively fund a genocide that couldnt happen without our weapons, shut down palestinian voices in the campaign, and she supressed student free speech herself instead of supporting it.
But you're saying she was going to be better than trump in all this huh. Either she failed to message whatever your talking about, or you're talking nonsense. Theres a "trolley problem" for you.
Yes, there's a trolley problem and it seems pretty clear you picked the lane that ends up killing every single Palestinian.
I voted for Kamala, but be honest. The only difference between Kamala and Trump in terms of Palestine is that Trump supports a fast overt genocide, while Kamala supports a slow and quiet genocide. Neither of them care two shits if every last Palestinian is exterminated. Kamala just wants the genocide to be slow and quiet enough that she doesn't have to answer awkward questions about it.
Harris: "I will do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza, to bring home the hostages, end the suffering in Gaza, ensure Israel is secure, and ensure the Palestinian people can realise their right to dignity, freedom, security and self-determination"
Doesn't sound like a genocide to me, slow or otherwise.
Vague bullshit platitudes. That's all she offered.
What you quoted is indistinguishable for saying, "I want all the good things for both Israelis and Palestinians! I like good things. I don't like bad things."
Zero acknowledgement about the hard choices involved.
She says she'll do "everything in her power," but we know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she is lying.
Will she make US offensive aid contingent on a cease fire?
Will she make US defensive aid contingent on a cease fire?
Will she support US military aid contingent on Israel ending its ethnic-cleansing-by-zoning code in the West Bank?
Will she support slapping sanctions on Israeli leaders who support genocide and ethnic cleansing?
Will she agree to not interfere with the attempts to prosecute Israeli officials at the International Criminal Court?
Will she make long-term support of Israel contingent on the establishment of a two-state solution?
She cares for the Palestinians, but only if she doesn't have to life a finger for them.
Kamala is to the right of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush when it comes to actually reigning in Israeli excesses.
Again, Kamala supports a SLOW GENOCIDE. She doesn't mind genocide. She isn't willing to lift a finger to restrict it. Her only concern at all for the matter is that it might hurt her at the polls, so she opposes the kind of overt ethnic cleansing that Trump supports. Trump supports putting a line of tanks on the east side of the Gaza Strip and just driving forward until the entire Gazan population is forced into the sea. That's the kind of overt genocide Trump supports.
But in practice, Kamala is little different. I voted for Kamala, but I did so reluctantly. She says she opposes genocide, but those are meaningless words not backed by actual practice. Actions matter, words don't. And by her actions, it is clear she and Biden support genocide. They just want it done quietly.
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bUt iT DoEsN'T mAtTEr tHey ArE BoTh EqUalLy BaD On pALeStiNe
I mean, aren't they? The only real difference I can see between Kamala and Trump on Palestine is that Kamala prefers a more respectable version of genocide. She supports genocide, but she just wants it to be done slowly and quietly. Trump is on board with a fast and overt genocide. Their policies lead to the same outcome; Trump is just a lot more honest about it.
Jesus h. Chist, you ARE the problem in the room. You and people like you.
Had kamela won she could have doubled down in Israel. If not, mass protests could have pushed her. Something, anything could have been done. Hell, even if nothing was done, at least the worst impulses would have been constrained. Now, because of smug assholes like you, the US will likely become a dictatorship, the US likely will pull out of NATO and the entire fucking world will become a much, much dangerous place to live in. Forget about internal policies that will make racism and discrimination against anyone slightly different okay again, this shit affects the whole goddamn world. People like you ate the reason why a Jesus-will-come-back-if-we-end-the-world cult is now in possession of nukes.
Oh, and Palestine is absolutely fucked now.expect it to simply and completely disappear, you are the reason why so many men, women and children will be slaughtered
Thank you!
Had kamela won she could have doubled down in Israel.
This is ridiculous nonsense. Why would she. The Harris campaign ran on the strategy that she could ignore the voices of Palestinians and their allies during the most vulnerable time for her. Why would she do anything if she was delivered into power. The whole point of her doing that was to prove that she didn’t need support from the antigenocide crowd. Why do you believe she would do anything if we gave her power. All the leverage is gone at that point. You are being delusional.
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I voted for Kamala, ya dingus. I just have enough self-reflection to note that her messaging was shit and that there was little difference between the two of them when it came to Palestine. I voted for her because of domestic policy, not foreign policy.
There are lessons to be learned here. And sticking our heads in the sand will not help us learn those lessons. And one of those lessons should absolutely be that, "vote for me. I support genocide, but my opponent supports it EVEN MORE!" is a shit campaign message. Whoever thought of that strategy should be shot.
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No you are the problem. Democrats and Republicans are becoming cult, you can't assume your responsibilities and blame each other. Both parties are complicit to the genocide and military support data shows that there support for Israel is almost equal. The fact that you defend the imperialist power called NATO who destroyed Afghanistan is crazy and shows that you can't give a damn about justice
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I can't even begin to fathom the brain rot required to believe this... I can't tell if it's unfettered ignorance, or just propaganda.
Harris promised to do everything in her power to end the war in Gaza.
“This year has been difficult, given the scale of death and destruction in Gaza and given the civilian casualties and displacement in Lebanon, it is devastating. And as president, I will do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza, to bring home the hostages, end the suffering in Gaza, ensure Israel is secure, and ensure the Palestinian people can realise their right to dignity, freedom, security and self-determination,” Harris said to applause during a rally in East Lansing city of Michigan, home to 200,000 Arab Americans.
Can we finally stop pretending that Israel is an "ally." I consider the state of Israel to be an enemy to the general American public.
The general American public just voted in favor of this. The alliance will only be strengthend under Trump.
That doesn't change my opinion. That alliance is to the U.S. government, not to the U.S. people. I consider them to be a hostile entity.
Okay, but they can't be an enemy of the american public if that same public votes for a president that supports Israel and its genocide.
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Narrowing down the options to apartheid/genocide and the abolition of the Jewish character of Israel. In other words killing off the last vestiges of a non-fascist version of Zionism that a "small Israel" could allow.
So, liberal Zionists: which side are you on?
Dude I gave up the moment I heard on the radio that the fucker killed Rabin. If you want to live in Zion move to New York.
...also, to the rest of the thread: If you think the US election was decided on Israel, please go outside and touch grass. Talk to people. You know, those flesh-and blood things usually found within metal containers on rubber circles that you rarely interact with. Ask them. Practically nobody in the US gives a fuck, and especially not enough of a fuck for it to be the #1 cause of things.
If you want to live in Zion move to New York.
I am absolutely not a Zionist, but this is kind of a shitty thing to say.
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/jew-york_n?tl=true
The answer to "if you want to live in Zion" is "too bad."
New York is host to the second most populous Jewish community, after Tel Aviv, before Jerusalem. That's a fact, not some antisemitic conspiracy theory.
And now you stand here, introducing a derogatory term because... noone said it? What's your intention? Make it more popular? Imply that the sentiment against Jewish New York would be any worse than existing sentiment against Israel? One has quaint strings up power poles and plenty of bagels, the other a genocidal maniac and convicted terrorist as minister of national security, I don't think there's a competition to be had, there.
The answer to “if you want to live in Zion” is “too bad.”
...or is it that you don't want any more Jews in NYC?
I didn't say that it was a conspiracy theory. I said suggesting that New York is "Zion" just because of its Jewish population is a bad thing to say and I showed you the reason why.
…or is it that you don’t want any more Jews in NYC?
I'm a Jew. I'm a even mod of c/Jewish.
Nice try though.
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But but but, i didn't vote for Kamala because she wouldn't do exactly as I wanted for the Palestinians! Things should be getting better for them, not worse, how could this be happening?
After murdering everyone in Palestine under the Biden administration, the Trump administration moves the border line.
Which is worse, the line on the map?
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$hill Stein voters will never admit they were duped. All those protests centered on Biden or Harris but NEVER on Republicans. Also it’s Congress that establishes foreign aid, but whatever. It must have felt so good to be entertained by your own anger.
The genocide happened during Biden. I expect as much protests once Trump takes power
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What does pointing your anger at and blaming other voters accomplish? They did the right thing. Republicans want minorities dead and Democrats are holding them hostage. I'm glad Trump won. Now white Americans can feel a fraction of the suffering Palestinians are going through. That'll make them care. That'll make them fight.
If any civilian should be blamed, it's you for accepting this lesser evil bullshit over and over and over again to the point that got the world here. If the only thing that comes out of your mouth is shit, then don't talk.
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Wow, they are really going to do it, aren't they?
they've been self-defensing their way towards the total elimination and annexation of Palestine from the 1940s to now.
this whole thing really should not surprise anyone that knows even a simplified history of god's special country. they have been slowly and steadily inching towards their goal. they're not really shy about it.
hear it from Israel's first prime minister
"You are no doubt aware of the JNF's activity in this respect. Now a transfer of a completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Arab fellahin." He added: "Jewish power [in Palestine], which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out this transfer on a large scale."
"With compulsory transfer we have a vast area... I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it."
Here's another guy, a director of the JNF, Joseph Weitz
"There is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, and to transfer all of them, save perhaps for [the Arabs of] Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem. Not one village must be left, not one [Bedouin] tribe. And only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brothers and the Jewish problem will cease to exist. There is no other solution."
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They've already BEEN doing it. And this was the critical failure of all those who argued that Trump would be better for Palestine than Harris. I voted for Harris, but I am not at all surprised this cost her the election.
Israel doesn't need to do ANYTHING differently to complete its genocide of Gaza and the West Bank. It is already on that road, actively engaging in a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians. And the Biden/Harris team have, through their inaction, fully endorsed this genocide.
Kamala was so comically bad on Palestine that the only hair-brained thing they could come up with to defend her stance was, "well...well...Trump will let the Israelis do a genocide EVEN FASTER!"
Kamala's campaign slogan was, "a vote for Mussolini is better than a vote for Hitler!"
And then she was surprised when enough liberal voters in swing states stayed home to cost her the election. It turns out, there are plenty of people who will NOT turn out to vote for Mussolini just because Hitler is also on the ballot. They won't vote for either of them; they'll just say "a pox on both your houses!" and stay home.
Is a vote for Mussolini better than a vote for Hitler? Objectively, probably yes. Hitler objectively did a lot worse harm than Mussolini. But you also can't be shocked when people refuse to hold their noses and vote for Mussolini, just because Hitler might be objectively worse. Ultimately, it's your fucking fault for expecting people to vote for Mussolini.
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They've been signaling it for more than a year now.
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What does annexation actually mean? Do all the Palestinians get Israel citizenship and voting rights? Or is this officially implementing apartheid or expulsion/death?
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