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[–] [email protected] 122 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"At the same time, the man who would head America’s gigantic military has tied US foreign policy almost entirely to the priority of Israel, a country of which he says: “If you love America, you should love Israel.”

Elsewhere, Hegseth appears to argue that the US military should ignore the Geneva conventions and any international laws governing the conduct of war, and instead “unleash them” to become a “ruthless”, "

Fuuuuckin hell!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (14 children)

This is why we can't ignore it when the only other option is allowed to do whatever because it's not as bad.

If more people had made more noise when Biden continually violated the Leahy Law and circumvented Congress to provide arms to an ongoing genocide... We had a chance to fix the system. To hold him accountable and make sure no matter who was the next president, they'd also be able to be held accountable

Instead the majority of Dems ignored it or worse made excuses for why Biden doesn't need to follow US or international law.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Letting fascists win and still finding a way to put the REAL blame on the LIBS.

Just absolutely astounding.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Libs are not the left. They're just barely left of the GOP.

Everything looks hard right to my tired eyes.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Didn't say liberals were 'the left'. Just said that letting fascists win and putting the blame on the liberals, as every other problem in America apparently lays upon, is absurd.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who else was responsible for their campaign but them?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The Dems were responsible for running a bad campaign. 2/3s of the American electorate were responsible for approving of, or not caring about, fascism. These fascists are now doing fascist things, which is, believe it or not, the fascists' fault.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Woah, woah, hold up a minute. Since when are we expected to take personal responsibility? I intend to blame you when I cut off my nose to spite my face. You can't change the rules now!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You sound like you have a promising future as a GOP speech-writer! Assuming they still need speech-writers after the electorate is dumbed down further. At this point, just making monkey screeches for an hour might be enough to get the appropriate Pavlovian reaction from the GOP's base.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

The holocaust is Hans Vogel's fault, ackshually

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

At that point you're not far from actual tankie positions.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If more people had made more noise when Biden continually violated the Leahy Law and circumvented Congress to provide arms to an ongoing genocide... We had a chance to fix the system. To hold him accountable and make sure no matter who was the next president, they'd also be able to be held accountable.

Citizens did make noise, citizens did point out that he violated Leahy Law, and the way to hold politicians accountable in a democracy is getting them out of office and away from the levers of power. Well here we are, Biden and Dems are going out of office and the genocide is going to be actively being accelerated by the Trump administration gleefully flooding Israel with more weapons "cleanse" Gaza so they can build their gaudy hotels and fulfill some Book of Revelations prophesy because the republican party is absolutely flooded with Dominionists.

Good. Fucking. Job.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Exactly.

And the real irony is that of the two candidates, which one is most likely to respond to post-election pressure to adjust the policies?

Sure sure sure, Trump can be influenced by money and flattery, but the people that are going to pay and flatter him are not exactly the ones arguing to save the lives of innocent civilians.

So the irony remains, of the two candidates to choose from, the people complaining about what is happening in Gaza picked the one least likely to do anything helpful once elected ("do" as opposed to what they said to get elected).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (17 children)

which one is most likely to respond to post-election pressure to adjust the policies?

On the issue of Israel, neither. They have exactly the same policies.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

So...

You think because a small minority tried to hold Biden to a higher standard...

That it's their fault Kamala lost when people who aren't politically engaged didn't want to vote for someone who said she agreed with (literally) everything Biden had done and wouldn't have changed anything?

You're saying that since Biden wasnt held accountable and Dems lost, the lesson is for no one to ever try to hold a Dem accountable?

Like, I've heard that before, usually I just block people with those opinions because I'd just never have a productive exchange with them...

But you kind of beat around the bush there.

Are you really blaming the voters and not the candidate?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

If after making noise, you either voted 3rd party or didn’t vote, you supported even more genocide and allowed Trump to win. Stop with this idiotic line of reasoning that somehow holding Biden accountable was more important than stopping Trump from becoming president.

You Russian stooge.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I have no idea why you're getting down voted. You're absolutely right. Lots of sour grapes and copium happening with Dems. I plugged my nose voting for Harris feeling what you mentioned in my bones.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Don't worry they'll learn a lesson from this that they need to go further right yet again in order to beat the right in an election. Don't let the fact that they keep losing distract you from the fact that this is a winning strategy.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

Indeed and the mofo would start WW III by invading Iran.

[–] [email protected] 118 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Fuck the voices in here lamenting democrats. This is 100% republican evil. 100% republican fault. 100% who they are. Blame them entirely. They have the reigns of power so blame them for what they do with it. When they take over next year, never let up on them. They never let up on the left, so nail them to the fucking wall for every terrible move they make. Don't let any fraud dissuade from the fact that this is the republican party and the blame lies entirely at their feet.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry, but I believe that the people who didn't vote against Trump and the Republicans share some of the blame.

I obviously primarily blame the people who voted for Trump, but even if you don't think there were good reasons to vote FOR Harris (I disagree), it doesn't take much brainpower to recognize that there were a hell of a lot of reasons to vote AGAINST Trump. Those of us who saw 2024 as the moment where not voting or voting stupidly were viable ideas fucked up big time, and now we all are going to suffer the consequences for at least 4 years.

Are we really supposed to pretend to be constantly surprised and outraged over every shithead he appoints and every shitty thing they do? Who has the free time for that? I wasted enough days of my life following and debating every twist and turn of The Trump Show, and all of it was for nothing because a mere 4 years after January 6th 2021 Trump is going to be sworn into office once again as a more unhinged and unmitigated version of himself. Even engaging in this discussion now is a waste of all of our fucking time.

All because 2/3 of this country were too fucking stupid to see that he is a toxic, fascist authoritarian bitch moron. I blame everyone who didn't vote for Harris (like her or hate her) for what is going to transpire over the next 4 years, and I don't care if that hurts their feelings.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I don't agree. The dnc opted to go with a strategy of, "we don't need to listen to the will of the voters, and we'll double down on doing the same gd thing we've always done, you either get on board, or bad-man wins!"

People want change. DNC refused to make even the hint of willingness to change, it's no surprise they lost so many voters.

This was entirely avoidable.

My only hope is that the DNC will finally wake the fuck up and introduce an actual progressive platform. But shit, I said the same thing when Hillary tanked. So why would it be different now?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Disagree.

He is such a shithead they should have been able to run a piece of timber against him and still won. The best candidate is any other candidate.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People want change.

Nah, Americans want cheap groceries and they're willing to kill the world for it because they don't understand that the President doesn't control prices of eggs.

actual progressive platform

Compare Harris' policy with Biden's and Clinton's.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

People literally were claiming she had no platform and no ideas. You could send them to her platform page and they wouldn't go.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Oh I agree. Republicans are the originators of all this shit. They are the cause for so much ill effects.

But Democrats are supposed to be that counterbalance in a duopoly. They haven't lived up to that. They'd rather chase after evil instead of standing up for something good.

I'm not sure what's worse. To use a historical example: are the Nazis worse, or are those who didn't speak up and fight back when they could have?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The Nazis are worse. If you analogy the Nazis are very clearly worse. It's not even close. Yes those who didn't speak up should have if it was safe (or at least not too dangerous) for them to do so, but the Nazis are worse. By, like, a mile.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 4 months ago

If you love America, you should love NATO and be using Ukraine to make sure Russia never has power again. If you really want to game geopolitics you convince Ukraine to capture parts of Russia and you help them out. Israel was important for our God the Petro Dollar, but eventually you can't convince everyone that the kid going around stabbing everyone else is in fact not doing that.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 4 months ago (2 children)

i think the US is already ignoring the Geneva convention.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

We've said we'll attack of they ever try to prosecute.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Live long enough to become the villain.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I've said it before, I'll say it again - not a single redeeming quality in any of Trump's picks.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

It’s like being at the circus and watching a clown car pull up and having to witness all of the horrible people piling out of it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

No one should be surprised about that

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Does the racist Hesgeth fully understand that the Christians are slowly being squeezed out of Israel too? He should replace his Jerusalem Cross crap with the Star of David.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

hesgeth wouldn’t know what a christian was even if he met christ himself

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Society would be better off without all of these bullshit religions and the delusion non-thinkers who blindly choose follow them.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You want your country to use WWI tactics and leave soldiers behind? This dude is your guy because no competent general will follow his orders. You will see a massive exodus of the top brass and we will be left with the incompetent assholes.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

I would wager that much of the top brass would stick around just to cause as many legal problems as they can. We're kinda stubborn that way, though I only made it to mid-brass.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I know pre-trying people for crimes they haven't committed yet is generally a bad thing, but could the ICC make an exception in this case?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Cool. I don't love America. I fucking despise this country and everything it stands for. Israel can fall with it, never should have existed in the first place.

The world would be leagues better for it.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

Ya im sure he'd love it if other nations ignored trade deals with America in response? These people don't know how anything works. Leaving nato and the UN would be catastrophic for our economy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We can ignore the Geneva Conventions starting with Pete Hegseth.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Geneva Conventions apply to humans...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Reading through this .. it sounds much worse than I thought.

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