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Those fragile little snowflakes actually have a search just for them lol?
this post was submitted on 14 Sep 2023
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Alternative facts need their own alternative engine. Just one more facet to the echo chamber. 🙄
This seems awful opinionated.
What does "censorship" mean? The entire purpose of a search engine is to "censor" bad results so I would argue that they all have censorship. And if they don't they're probably a bad search engine.
Yes, the term censorship in this context is particularly infuriating to me. It's not censorship since these are privately owned websites that can link to whatever they like, and users can choose whether or not to use them. When DuckDuckGo launched, before privacy concerns were such a pressing issue the fact that they filtered poor quality sources was one of their most advertised selling points: https://www.technologyreview.com/2010/07/26/26327/the-search-engine-backlash-against-content-mills/
It's not censorship since these are privately owned websites that can link to whatever they like
...what exactly do you think censorship is? Are you under the impression that this is something only the government can do?
Not exactly, no, but a website can't reasonably be expected to cover everything and that wouldn't be desirable either.
Also the meaning of "censorship" can depend wildly based on your own opinions and political beliefs.
The correct term to use would have been "Result filtering", as "censorship" is completely subjective.
What does "cloudflare so who cares lol" mean exactly?
Cloudflare is so good that you don't even have to care about your privacy because they've got it covered?
or
Nobody who uses Cloudflare would care about privacy, and for some reason that's worthy of a "lol"?
or what?
Cloudflare is bad.
Care to explain? I just set up zero trust Tunnel with them 😶
Their tunnel uses TLS termination. When we use TLS/SSL certificates on a server, we want the data to be encrypted between your server and the clients connecting to it. When you use Cloudflare's tunnel, that TLS connection is terminated, that is, decrypted on their servers and then it is re-encrypted and sent to your client. So, theoretically, they can look at all the data going through. But do they sniff in to your data, that is upto what you believe.
If you are self-hosting for privacy, this is a bad idea. Free solutions like Cloudflare and Tailscale all do TLS termination. What you want is TLS pass through. You can rent a small VPS and set up TLS pass through using something very simple, like HAProxy, NGINX Proxy etc.
Cloudflare is one of the biggest privacy violators. They effectively act as a MITM which has your SSL keys and can read all the traffic between your browser and a website. Now imagine a single entity having the SSL keys to read the traffic of an important portion of the internet.
Oh and they block Tor and VPN users too.
Please someone explian the cloudflare bit.
I mean, who doesn't like a random table without some further explanation?
Cloudflare typically provides DDOS protection to websites, as well as CAPTCHAs and preventing bots from accessing sites, and can speed up connections through use of their CDN, among other things they offer.
People mostly dislike Cloudflare to my understanding because at the end of the day, they're a giant US big tech company with a pretty massive amount of centralized control over the internet. I personally avoid them where possible, and know a lot of others wish to as well due to it.
Yeah they're not evil per se, but any monopoly should be avoided. The market needs more segmentation.
OK thanks for the explanation
It makes you activate cookies and JavaScript, which serves to deanonymize you.
OK, thank. So cloudflare = bad
No Kagi search?
Kagi is so good, I just wish they'd lower the price...
Exactly. I had to stop using it because for the number of searches I had to switch to the $25/month! Way too much for me!
I just started using Kagi and am actually still in my 100 free search trial period. I have already added some bitcoin to my account to subscribe when the time comes.
Edit: so far i have used fewer searches than i expected. I have used 19 searches in 10 days or 1.9 searches per day. I thought it would be much higher than that. I admit i have used the ddg bang when doing currency conversion to not waste a search on that though.
Are you the creator of 4get, OP? Your account is 4 days old, the same age as the post announcing 4get on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/16emfv0/4get_a_proxy_search_engine_that_doesnt_suck/
Why not just announce your project normally here instead of this biased chart?
I'm not the creator of 4get, the chart is from here: https://digdeeper.club/articles/search.xhtml
That should definitely be linked for context of this "data"
Edit: That article directly calls 4get "the best search engine", and the diagram implies that to be the case as well. Given that 4get has existed for 4 days I just find everything else from the author to be very suspect. This should at least have the author's context added or more of a heads-up that this isn't exactly rigorous data. 4get's current audit status is just trust me bro, which I find difficult when the entire rest of the about page is filled with immaturity.
I found someone on 4chan that wouldn’t stop announcing this engine on /g/, most likely the owner as well. And seeing that the name is 4get, it probably started there
Given that 4get has existed for 4 days
4get has existed for at least 1 month, judging by the git activity https://git.lolcat.ca/lolcat/4get/activity/yearly
Publicly existed. It was announced 4 days ago. The author said they have been working on it for a full year now, but until they release it there's really no way for third parties to be using it and forming opinions.
My favourite search engine, Ecosia, is listed. I’d prefer if they didn’t log IPs, but their cause is so good and effective that it’s worth it to me. I can use a VPN if it bothers me.
I've never heard about Ecosia, what is the good cause?
They spend their revenue on planting trees
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Maybe someone can ELI5 how Kagi works then. Yes, I read all their documentation, but I'm still not convinced on the "100% privacy-respecting". In our world of proprietary back ends with peepers, cloud backdoors along with home assistants and cars that say "we don't listen", but suddenly have evidence when they need it - How can we trust Kagi? They say;
no telemetry, ads, or collection of private information
and
we do not log searches or in any way tie them to an account
But there's "plans" that count your searches per month, so that is attributed to your account. They can tell if you use a bang, so they do have the ability to see what you search for. They also see if you reload the same search, so it knows exactly what you searched for. They can tell the difference between images and news and whether you're loading more content, and attribute that to your account.
What I'm hearing is that we're supposed to trust them when they say "hey guys, we don't look even though we can/could see everything"? Is that it?
It's most likely an API linked to your logged in account that counts each search performed and logs it against your account. You don't need to see a user's search to track that information.
That sounds reasonable and likely the method. Would you indulge a few more relevant questions? Could that API also know your search term without sharing it? How can we know that the API is not being abused? And, can access to an API like that be shared, or hacked? Are we still at "we don't look even though we could"?
Interested in more info about Brave Search. How is their claim of having an own index "doubtful", and how do they have "extreme" censorship?
I am not a fan of Brave, however that seems like bs . Brave started their own index in 2021 and Here is their blog post saying ' Every Web search result seen in Brave Search is now served by our own index.' From April of this year.
List is immediately disqualified for not including LibreX. Shame.
They have SearX but not Whoogle. If you just want a search proxy and only want the core features I highly recommend it.
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+1 for Kagi
anecdotal but i ended up switching from ddg and searxng to brave because of how much more relevant and well structured i found their search results to be so i’m not sure i agree with the findings for that column
absolutely hate the company and am skeptical of their practices, but even considering all that their search toes the line of privacy and functionality better than some others, at least in the case of a daily user who needs a service that lies somewhere in the middle of those 2 extremes
Qwant shares data with 3rd parties? source?
For instance, Qwant relies on ad services from Microsoft for revenue. Consequently, Qwant needs to collect and transmit the IP addresses and search terms of its users to Microsoft. Microsoft, as some of us may know, isn't exactly a role model in privacy.
However, Qwant claims that it doesn't transmit IP addresses and search terms as a pair. Instead, search terms and IP addresses are transmitted differently using different services to make it hard for the parties involved to tie search terms to IP addresses. In other words, they make it hard for third-party services to build a profile on you. Nonetheless, some would argue that the mere fact that Qwant collects this kind of data is a potential privacy
loophole.
Qwant shares some of the data it collects with advertising partners like Microsoft. Your search keywords, IP address data, and geographical location are shared with Microsoft and are stored for at least 18 months following Microsoft privacy policies. Although Qwant tries to anonymize the data it shares, its methods aren't exactly
foolproof.
And then there's the issue of being asked to turn over a user's data by law enforcement. Like any other company, even privacy-focused search engines service would have to comply with a court-ordered request for data. Consequently, this means your data can somehow fall into the hands of a third-party.
From https://www.makeuseof.com/qwant-vs-duckduckgo-which-search-engine-most-private/
Qwant privacy policy : https://about.qwant.com/en/legal/confidentialite/
Why is kagi not on the list?
laughs through my pi-hole
What about Yacy? I didn't see that mentioned. I haven't used it before, but I've heard you can self-host it and it offers decentralized search.
What’s up with cloud flare?
Too much power
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