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Flying Squid bans Luigi Mangione support (lemmynsfw.com)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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The original post by @[email protected] was a woman wearing a shirt that says "Italians do it better". Someone asked what they do, and drag explained the joke as best as drag understood the intention, though drag disagrees that Luigi killed that CEO. It's not a call for violence, it's an explanation of a joke. Other people interpreted the joke the same way.

Less than an hour later, Flying Squid banned drag for that explanation, and for saying Luigi is not guilty. According to Flying Squid, referencing the CEO shooter case and saying Luigi didn't do it is a call for violence. Expressing support for Luigi Mangione is a bannable offense on LemmyShitpost.

EDIT: The Picard Maneuver responded to drag's appeal and reversed the ban. Drag will be deleting this post as it is no longer relevant to the current state of affairs on Lemmy Shitpost.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You were banned for saying "Kill billionaires".

Not for saying "Luigi Mangione isn't guilty tho".

Even if you didn't mean it as an invitation or incitement to homicide and merely as an answer, completion, or riff to the previous statement, on its own it can be interpreted that way.

I'm rooting for Luigi too, I don't feel sorry about the death of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, and I do think billionaires shouldn't get comfortable with profiting from our suffering. But the mods reserve the right to remove stuff they feel could get them in trouble, chances are someone did interpret it this way and made a report (wasn't me I swear). There may be certain contexts, communities, instances, where this is allowed but you will have to determine that or ask.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

One would have to be a moron to take that as an imperative rather than as an answer to the question. That's bad moderation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you're being a little bit facetious; surely you can see that while yes, you technically answered the question, you didn't phrase it in the form of an explanation. I'm not pearl-clutching and accusing you of condoning the murder, but that response was pretty obviously toeing the line at best.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't obvious to drag. Maybe that's because drag has autism, and needs to expend conscious effort to think of ways drag can be misinterpreted. Drag would edit it for clarity if drag could, but bans prevent editing comments.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Dragon Fucker is playing the victim after making up shit about other people? No way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, no, you're misunderstanding how drag feels. Drag doesn't feel like a victim at all. In fact, drag feels quite fortunate not to be the kind of person who gets mad at out of context quotes. It's kind of life-affirming, to be the sort of person who struggles to think that way.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Dude, give it a rest. You're entire third person, trolling, abusive comments, and always playing the autism and "i dont understand" card is old and tired.

Im honestly surprised you haven't been banned from every server yet like your old "dronerights" accounts were last year.

You say you're not playing the victum, yet here we are in a topic you created to whine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're welcome to think every nonbinary person is the same individual if you like. But drag's intention with this post was to warn others that LemmyShitpost isn't a safe space. Not everything in the world is about drag, silly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What in the world are you talking about. Everything can be tracked here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

You were banned for being a pain in the ass and constantly accusing users of being transphobic, just like the other places you’ve been banned

Are you sure you’re not dronerights?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

PTB.

If ending a joke is promoting violence, where are the bans of the people defending Harris, Biden or the Democrat party, for promoting a violent genoocide ?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

And where are the bans for the people saying Luigi should be locked up? Imprisonment is a violent act.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So you were explaining the joke, sure. But then added your opinion that the pertubator didn't do it and wasn't guilty of committing that crime?

That's borderline a call for violence which is against the rules of that community. Sorry but YDI and you should do better.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That's right, Luigi didn't do it. The feds are telling us the CEO Shooter was a master planner who timed the kill perfectly and used a 3D printed disposable gun. But now they're saying they found Luigi in the next state over WITH the disposable gun. It doesn't make any sense. The government is lying to us. And that's not a call for violence.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

So you are a detective and a judge now? Cool cool.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Did you forget cars exist?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

~~Drag thinks he should be further away, not closer.~~

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Chozo saw the comment notification and thought for a moment that you were Drag explaining himself.

Fuck, it's contagious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

You used the reflexive pronoun "himself" when the last pronoun you had used previously was "drag". That's not proper grammar. You're supposed to use a reflexive pronoun to refer to whoever you just referred to a minute ago. And you certainly weren't using "himself" to refer to drag, because drag isn't a him.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No, drag thinks the killer disposed of the disposable gun that's meant to be disposed of in New York. Probably at the bottom of the Hudson or somewhere. The feds even said they dispatched divers to search New York's waterways. It makes no sense for the killer to still have the gun, and that's why drag thinks the killer didn't have the gun. The feds found the gun, and then planted it on Luigi. It might even have been in that backpack they found, the one with the monopoly money.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I suppose it's just a really convenient coincidence that he also had a years-long social media history that all but spells out his plans word for word, and then also a manifesto that likely does spell out his plans word for word.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

I’m leaning toward it being mangione, but I also think the substack post could have been posted by the FBI to pad their evidence. The gun, money, and note found on him would be easily planted by the cops. I don’t value police testimony in this situation at all, given the “faraday cage” they described and their long, long history of planting or exaggerating evidence.

Especially because it’s not exactly hard to find people who talk shit about the health insurance industry and “like” quotes by the unabomber. I am not personally capable of violence, but I’m sure I’ve said “the industrial revolution and its consequences” in response to kafkaesque advanced capitalism or news of yet another climate change marker.

They look similar and mangione fits the vibe of the shooting, but I do think that the FBI could probably find 2-3 more people with the same vibe who look similar if they really had to- it’s a big country full of people with grudges against insurance and he’s not too distinctive looking.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Oh, someone definitely planned for that fact. But drag isn't quite sure who. Either Luigi took the fall on behalf of the CEO shooter because he agreed with him and wanted to protect him, or the cops combed social media to find a fall guy with similar appearance and views. Maybe a combination of both. The only sure thing is that the story the government is telling us doesn't make sense. The guy perfectly planned an assassination with an exit strategy, and then showed a fake ID to the cops and started shaking when it didn't clear? The feds are lying about something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Okay

[–] chillinit 3 points 4 months ago

It doesn't make any sense. The government is lying to us.

This is reasonable.

Luigi didn't do it.

This is non-sequitur. He's spoken only very briefly since he's been arrested. But, that should be enough to know that he did that shit.

The two alternative possibilities that stick out to me are: He couldn't follow through with a planned suicide; He intended to be caught.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

well he's innocent until proven guilty and he hasn't been proven guilty yet, has he?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Well you got a point there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who's big as titties are those though?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Bruh

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Squid called me a facial analysis expert because i said i didn't think Luigi looked like the suspect photos lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

So it's a pattern of Squid getting on the case of people who think Luigi didn't do it?

[–] chillinit 7 points 4 months ago

That's not even close to the worst shit that mod does. For example, they'll personally attack you then call in a mod to ban you for personal attacks.

But, they're never sanctioned. It's good that you've created documentation. But, nothing will happen until he picks on the wrong person.

He's also easy to dox.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Power mods gonna power trip ...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

While I'm personally inclined to agree with drag that that was quite clearly answering a question and not an imperative, I also don't think that it should be frowned on to protect the instance one moderates from potentially being taken down.

Lemmy is still (relatively) small enough that it can fly under the radar, but that's not going to last forever.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Well, maybe someone who reads the context on comments could take over protecting the instance and give Squid a break. He mods so many communities, it's clear he's overworked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Squid participates in mod abuse, but you're clearly arguing in bad faith.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Good that so, I am surprised how many mods just straight up ignore or support glorification of violence, respect to him for enforcing the rules consistently even if it's an unpopular decision