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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

Serious posts, news, and discussion go in c/Socialism.

If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.

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0. Only post socialist memes


That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


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We require alternative text (from now referred to as "alt text") to be added to all posts/comments containing media, such as images, animated GIFs, videos, audio files, and custom emojis.
EDIT: For files you share in the comments, a simple summary should be enough if they’re too complex.

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1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here


Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.


2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such


That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.


3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.


That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).


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The only dangerous minority is the rich.


5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.


We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.

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Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.



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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Can an "Adjuster" please adjust peoples wages by visiting certain corporate executives? Just have a "peaceful little chat" with them πŸ˜‰.

[–] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Give them a little β€œyear-end review” πŸ™Š

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No prior authorization for thoughts and prayers, however.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 8 points 3 months ago

Out of my sympathy network.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

How can a business/company grow and develop if it doesnt make net profit?

[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Easy. By definition, if the money is going back into the business it isn't profit. It's overhead.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then where does profit go?

[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Into the pockets of the owners/investors

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The ones who made it possible at the beginning, and paid workers wages from their own money? Screw those guys!

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What is it about being wealthy that makes you deserve a bigger share of the results of group labor?

If anything that's a great reason for them to get the least out of the venture, they didn't do the work

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Kill the bourgeoisie by taking their money through establishing co-ops. phase out the leech class. Then dine on their fuckin brains

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Well, the capital.

Instead of fucking off to a tropical island and drink daiquiris into the sunset you decide to invest, create jobs and risk your cash.

If you don't like it, create your own company and work for yourself, plenty of people are doing exactly that. See how easy it is to be owner/investor.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So by being rich you deserve to do nothing and get a bigger reward?

As someone who has family in C suite positions I know for a fact that C suites do not do more work than their employees

If you don't like it, create your own company and work for yourself, plenty of people are doing exactly that

Yeah lemme just suddenly have capital, just like magic, the system totally isn't designed to make that nearly impossible for the average person

Fuck out of here bootlicker, learn not to defend the rich cunts you'll never get to be a part of

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago

By being rich you can choose to use your money to employ others and create value. Or enjoy daiquiris on the beach. Your money, your choice. Same as they deserve to have a house as big as they want or a car as fast they want, and their cleaning person or mechanic doesn't have any ownership of them. They just work there. Even if the owner does nothing, they are the owner.

As for me, I don't see how that's relevant, but I'm doing just fine, thanks.

And plenty of people get rich by working. Not billionaire level, but retire at 40 level. Get a job in a field in strong demand (IT, construction, etc) spend little money and invest a lot. Then you deserve to not work.

[–] glowie@h4x0r.host 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nah these people rather do fuck all work and think they still deserve a 6 fig salary lmao

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I recommend you get one of those jobs then, doing nothing for 6 figures sounds amazing. Too good to be true, on fact.

[–] glowie@h4x0r.host 2 points 3 months ago

SRE/DevOps 🀣

[–] glowie@h4x0r.host 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Tell me you don’t understand basic business principles without telling me you don’t understand

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Sounds to me like your trying to operate on only basic principles and not understanding the more nuanced and complicated language

No, it's still profit. It's profit that's reinvested into growing the business. Profit is revenue - operating costs. Scaling is not an operating cost, it's an investment.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

yeah, anything above a certain percent I can see as theft from working class, but profit is expected to some degree. that alone doesn't paint a full picture at all.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Exactly. What really bugs me about lefty/antiwork sentiment lately is that it increasingly seems to be built upon and pushing fundamentally flawed black/white style concepts with unrealistic demands that don't understand the nuances of the world we live in.

This is antithetical to progress, it alienates many supporters and breeds politically useless extremism.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

lol we're getting downvoted

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Profit shouldn't exist, period. Get yourself a salary there Executive man and stop playing god. There is one singular reason to care about profit, and thats to get on the stock exchange to start living like an American Sultan. Profit should not exist, that money should go back to the workers and society, not into the coffer tombs of self proclaimed giants.

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

The world doesn't work the way you want it to, and it never will, simply because people are too selfish. If it ever happens, it will be because we've transcended humanity and become something else.

[–] theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"lately"? This is foundational to the entirety of left wing thought.

The left starts at abolition of capitalism and by extension corporate profit. If you disagree with that, you're simply not left wing in any way, you would be better off in right wing or far right sites like reddit or Facebook. They're their product of your beliefs, stick to them.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

By making a profit and not increasing it by underpaying employees.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No, profits are the difference between what a person is willing to accept to do a job, and what someone is willing to pay for their production less the cost to make it.

Profit isn't theft. If you want the full value of your work produce the good or service yourself. If you can't, pay someone to do the things you can't. Oh look, business.

Are certain players taking a ridiculous profit- yes. Are people suffering because of it - yes. Could it be done better - absolutely. But just because you don't like something it doesn't make it theft.

[–] sean@lemmy.wtf 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just because you don't like when the word theft means capitalism is bad doesn't mean capitalism is actually good

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Never said capitalism is good.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

In other words Exploitation, Thanks for clarifying in a round-about way that Capitalism = Exploitation

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Service industry

Part time uni tutor.

Im asking because I want to know why you don't go at it alone?

[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I work in a school. I often remember there are ALOT more students than staff. They cant ALL be on dentention at once... Wish i could tell the students that, but i also like my job and want to keep it.

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

If your company can't promise more profit than a bank account makes interest, you won't get invested in and can't buy the means of production.