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Is this true? (i.imgur.com)

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Found it on Twitter.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, and they've been contacting big instance admins already: https://hub.fosstodon.org/facebook-fosstodon-fedi

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is really insightful! Thank you for sharing

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No problem! You can find admins and users talking a lot about this by searching for the #p92 and #fedipact hashtags, lots of instances are preemptively defederating from Meta domains, although the software hasn't implemented federation yet

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

IMHO waiting to see how threads is implemented then the admins should decide if they want to defederate or not.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Agreed. I have an account on Fosstodon and I like how they handled it. Not too friendly with Meta, not jumping on the bandwagon when we don't even know how it works yet

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

With the hazard that such a large organization has, and the likely vested interest Meta has in destroying or absorbing the Fediverse, I feel that the default should be defederate, and only if Meta has proven to be acting in good faith, we can federate with them.

[+] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That just harms us, no? We can't see their content but they can see ours.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

How defederation works Now take that example post from earlier, the one on beehaw.org. The “true” version of the post is on beehaw.org but the post is still hosted on both instances (again, it has a copy hosted on all instances). Let’s say someone with an account on beehaw.org comments on that post. That comment is going to be sent to every version of that post via ActivityPub, as the “true” version has been updated. That is, every version EXCEPT lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. So users on lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works won’t get that comment, because we’ve been defederated from beehaw.org. If we write a comment, it will only be visible from accounts on lemmy.world, because we posted to a copy, but our copy is now out of sync with the “true” version. So we can appear to interact with the post, but those interactions are ONLY visible by other lemmy.world accounts, since our comments aren’t send to other versions. As the “true” version is hosted on beehaw, and we no longer get beehaw updates due to defederation, we will not see comments from ANY other community on those posts (including from other defederated instances like sh.itjust.works).

The same goes for posting to beehaw communities. We can still do that. However, the “true” version of those communities are the ones on beehaw, so our posts will not be shared to other instances via ActivityPub. And all of this is true for Beehaw users with our communities. Beehaw users can continue to see and interact with Lemmy.world communities, but those interactions are only visible to other Beehaw users, since the “true” versions of the Lemmy.world communities (the ones sent to/synced with every other instance) is the Lemmy.world one.

Communities on other instances, for example lemmy.ml, are unaffected by this. Lemmy.world and beehaw.org users will still be able to interact with those communities, but posts/comments from lemmy.world users won’t be visible to beehaw.org users, as defederation prevents our posts/comments from being sent to the version of these posts hosted on beehaw.org. However, as the “true” version is the one on the third instance, we can still see everything from beehaw.org users. So we see a more filled in version than the beehaw users.

Explained here when beehaw.org was defederated.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Absolutely. Gonna set up my own Lemmy instance so I can defederate any corporate instance. If other people want to accept their smallpox blankets, that's on them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

At least by this more people will come to know about fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

because of that kill it before it enters, with defederate the meta / pro meta instances

[+] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago

It’s literally the okay we’ll make our own space meme lol

Please just keep them out

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'd have to agree. Facebook polluted up the social media landscape with their gross business tactics, to the point where many people ditched traditional social media entirely and created/moved to the fediverse. Now they're getting ready to start dumping their toxic sludge here too, and I'd hope that most of the popular areas of the fediverse would just shut them out entirely. They deserve zero goodwill from anybody and are almost guaranteed to be bad-faith actors IMO.

I'm not holding out hope, however. I assume they'll play nice for the first year or two, integrate with everything, and then enshittify this as well. It's just the way things go.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

it was a nice two months while it lasted.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

https://fedipact.online/

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Considering the fact fediverse tries to be open, it’s unreasonable to have deals with a company such as meta.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Not if WE have anything to do with it.

Edit: Memmy just sent 3(?) comments instead of one?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Lol yeh there's still some wrinkles to be ironed out, I was accidentally posting loads of times because Jerboa told me my comment didn't go through when really it did.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This could be something!

[+] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes true! I personally will never use it because it's meta!!

[+] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

They have other ways to gain aside from data collection. Manipulation of public opinion is another possibility.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I’d say it’s more hopping on the buzzword train and maybe even following through. Although you can check my comment history I don’t much about this federation and instance stuff I don’t see how a for profit company finds a home in a non profit whatever-lemmy-is. Plus on top of that even if they somehow did become prominent I’m sure all the lemmy admins would eventually great a single server or small network servers that are private from meta

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I'm not an expert on how the social media make money, but from what i know it is created upon the information they gather (either personnal information or content, that they can then sell to advertisers or thing like that). So the more data they collect, the more they are able to sell i guess ? And i think that because fediverse already generates data for free (and will do so more and more), people in the business of selling this kind of data are eager to get access it Only my humble opinion, not sure at all if this is theway it works

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It's directly attacking twitter and eee fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Not if WE have anything to do with it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Not if WE have anything to do with it.