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I've come to two realizations recently:

One

The sudden tankie willingness to believe that Trump cares about a cease-fire in Gaza, and got tough with the Israelis and then they capitulated which Biden could have done at any time, sheds some interesting light on how the tankies think. They accuse anyone who disagrees with them of shifting their realities around, such that anything Biden does is good, anything the State Department says is always true, even if it contradicts itself or basic common sense or reality. I always thought that this was just a lazy reality-free arguing tactic, but in retrospect, I should have realized that it's a tell about their own thought process. Just like it's a warning sign if someone constantly suspects their partner of cheating, or is constantly on an absurdly hypervigilant lookout for scams and people trying to cheat them out of money, this is a key revelation about the way Hexbear itself looks at reality.

Trump is a capable diplomat, if believing that lets them trash Biden. Trump cares about Palestinians, if believing that lets them trash Biden. The cart is firmly in its place in front, and everything else including the horse can follow along depending on what the cart dictates.

Two

Hexbear's censorship, and wild hostility to anyone who comes to "their" place and tries not to toe the party line, really does do a pretty effective job of distorting the view of reality and consensus that their users are able to experience.

Take a look at these and compare:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36382877

https://hexbear.net/post/4354590

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Tankies= Republicans

That's all you gotta say. They love the orange fucker.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

To build off that, I was going to say it is easier for them to understand authoritarianism than liberalism. They more closely relate to using power to enforce will rather than consensus and damned the consequences.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Tankies are very much not Republicans

Extreme left and extreme right are similar since they both embrace Authoritarianism and government oppression.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

As an anarchist, I take issue with saying the “extreme left” embraces authoritarianism. But I get what you mean.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In to up vote you before someone cries

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree with what you're saying but I always downvote this obnoxious alternating case nonsense. Shit needs to die.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Eh, I think that only applies to Hexbear. The ml instances seem to hate anything US (or western, for that matter) without picking sides.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

They sure love to criticize the "west" but god forbid China or Russia gets called out for their savagery

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Not in my experience, but ml seems less obviously pro trump at least.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I have been calling this out since my first interactions with those instances. They are heavily infested with right wing trolls making "leftist" noises. And the ones who aren't actually trolls are either so blinded by their disdain for liberalism, or just too young to notice.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah. I'm genuinely curious how many of them are right wing trolls, how many are useful idiots, how many are normal trolls, how many are subject to mental illness and will sincerely believe anything and yell it at everyone else because of brain chemicals, how many are some other category, just what are the details of the real demographics there. I wish there was a way to know.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're brainwashed and also fascists. They don't stand for communism at all and never had.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Communism is pretty much tied to authoritarianism

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

In their mind it is. In theory, no.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

that's like saying socialists are tied to national socialism....

when a power hungry group adopts a title that's incongruous with it's actions, like, DPRK, it's always in an attempt to distract from their actions and policies.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

While yes, that is a thing. This is however literally a community meant to discuss this sort of thing.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This is my contribution to any discussion about Hexbear or Hexbear communities.

I'm a reasonable man and I'm willing to talk to anybody. But Hexbear and the communities it harbors are simply unbearable to me. I have no other instances and no other communities blocked.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Something I generally support as well. Though I'm lucky enough to not be Federated with 2/3 of the problem locally. It's just kind of out of place in a community like this is all.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I'm just fascinated by it though. I'm curious about human behavior, and I think the ways that people get themselves worked into a non-reality view of the world in a big community that all agrees about it is a highly relevant topic for the modern world.

I won't pretend to understand what's going on over there completely, but I'm interested enough in it that I want to be able to observe it. From a distance.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

That's the only instance I have blocked.

Just so much spam all over the all scroll..

It got old really quick.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The political spectrum isn't a line: it's a circle. It doesn't matter if you go left or right, once you go far enough, both sides meet on "authoritarianism." Trump wants to be a dictator. Tankies love dictators. Social cohesion is infinitely more important to these people than how they get there. As long as there's a government regulated "in" crowd and they're part of it, they'll justify any level of doublespeak, goal post moving and hypocrisy, and they're willing to perform any amount of mental gymnastics to get there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

this is a ridiculous take, just entirely forgetting the existence of anarchists, it seems. by that logic, anarchists are the enlightened center now, by virtue of being as far removed from authoritarianism (and therefore political extremism) as possible.

also, how does that form a circle? if i go even further left than left-auth, would i go over right-auth, right, right-moderate, until i end up at... where exactly?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think this is something a lot of people here miss. The farther you move to the extremes the more reality gets distorted. Tankies are so far left that there views are wildly distorted. Part of the extremes is also authoritarianism but that's mostly because that's the only way maintain there limited world view.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

They are not in any meaningful sense left. What happens is it when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail. The reason tankies look so similar to magats. Is because they are unified in a Devotion to strong men and a authoritarianism over left or right. They believe that might makes right and disagreement is punishable by Death. No more no less. They are authoritarians and will use whatever economic policy they think serves the case in point china.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Cmon. If you haven't already blocked hexbear you are just part of the problem. 90% 4chan garbage. You won't miss it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Some people are doomed to repeat the same mistake they are brainwashed to make over and over: picking a side in every scenario.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I tried to block them but they dont show up in the list, so I assume the instance that I belong to already took care of it?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah, Blahaj and Hexbear had a falling out over Hexbear accusing Blahaj users of tolerating 'chasers'.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Good lord, this is the second post I’ve read today that consists of this user bitching about Tankies. The block function is a wonderful thing…

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

This is a dedicated place to bitch about them. What do you expect?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

It's not bitching, it's fascination. I don't need a large dose of it, but a little every now and then is pretty interesting to me to observe.

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