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Lefty Memes

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i tried to run an llm locally and as soon as i hit download hundreds of thousands of indian and pakastani people started spewing out of my computer

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I hope you're being ironic with the meme and not because you think AI isn't based mostly on human labor theft and data

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Everything is based on labor theft in a capitalist society. Using AI isn't more evil than buying groceries.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

an llm once asked for my ssn

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The training sets were curated by shitloads of humans; some of that was through captcha; some of that was through things like Mechanical Turk that farms rote and repetitive categorization work out to tons of people in developing countries for almost no money.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

This is brilliant. Thanks for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nigeria too (aka the reason ChatGPT likes saying "delve")

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Huh, that's kind of neat. Nigerian workers feed ChatGPT business articles written by Nigerian English speakers and as a result GPT adopts some Nigerian business English speech patterns.

Of course, that means whenever ChatGPT says "delve" I'm going to read it the same way as seeing "synergy" or "disruptor," aka, with hostile intent against the speaker.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I recommend reading the book ghost work, its 30€ from amazon or how much you can afford it for from Annas archive

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

It is joked that“AI” stands for “absent Indians”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Amazon had their walk in walk out stores.

AI was meant to track what you put in the basket and charge you without you going through checkout.

They launched as an AI store.

Humans were looking at cases and were just meant to be "error correction".

They were doing 80% of the work of tracking the images and barcodes into actual products.

Amazon closed the store.

Lots of "AI" systems are currently in this state. A computer can do the easy 10 to 20% of the job. Humans are doing the rest.

Venture capital are just investing in anything that looks like it's working on "AI". Even when it's currently taking more human labour than the work did previously.

Companies are launching now as "AI" gambling on getting that percentage up otherwise they end up late to market. Lots will fail to actually use AI and probably fold.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

So ai is just scame

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

AI will be next dot com bubble

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Here's fucking hoping

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

yes, very sad ;(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

All Indians

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Ever been to India? I'm pretty sure the 1000s of underpaid Indians were super happy to have that job.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Did the store have 1000 customers at a time?

Would have been cheaper to just have a worker follow each customer around the store

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nm- bad take

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

If they're underpaid, why do they take the job?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why do the poor not just make more money are they stupid?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So you don't have an answer, just snark. Even in the US, companies pay different rates based on the local cost of living. Where are your posts crying about that?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You are dumb. Why would someone choose to work 3 jobs instead of one well paying Job? You are ignoring basic economics and basic survival

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

More snark, still no answers. Got it. I mean it's okay to rage against the machine. But at some point you should try to learn how to actually defend your stance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

Or you should do the tiniest bit of thought on why people may not have the choice in "just getting a better job" or even the smallest bit of research will find you a plethora of answers to your question.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because underpaid is better than starving to death

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

But being underpaid means they can get more money somewhere else. Why don't they just go to the place that pays better?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Have you heard of capitalism?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

You are assuming they have the luxury of getting a higher paying job. This requires two things

  1. Higher paying jobs exist and are available to them
  2. They can afford to not work until they land one of these jobs.

The first only works if there is a strong economy and employers are not cooperating to set a low “market price” which they have a strong incentive to do

The second only works if there is again a strong economy allowing for savings AND a strong social safety net / welfare system giving the freedom to not make a desperate choice of employment

Im gonna be real with you if this stuff had not occurred to you before now you should just stop having opinions on things.