Political Memes

The problem, of course, lies in striking the balance between speaking to them in their own terms, and reinforcing the values that many of their terms reflect.

Have you talked to Trump voters, man?

Most of them are not salvageable.

It's the same essential mistake that the Harris campaign committed this past election which may have lost us our democracy permanently - a favorite mistake of the Democratic Party seeking to fend off its left-wing by showing (or, in this case, 'showing') that bipartisanship and reaching 'across the aisle' is a winning formula. Trying to reason with right-wing voters in this country is a lost fucking cause. Reasoning with those who've tuned out due to apathy or despair is the way forward - assuming, of course, that votes matter going forward, which is far from guaranteed.

I agree with you but Im having difficulty figuring out how to convert people who voted to place people in camps.

Ah yes. Last conversation I had with one they insisted they saw a bus sized drone in the sky. If I’m rude or not improving the political landscape then lol oh well guess I’m not then.

I have so far seen zero evidence that anything Trump does will convince his voters that he's the evil shitstain he is, so what I'm not in favor of is the futility of trying to convince anyone, when 8 years of reality and headlines have failed to do the same. I have magas in my family and they will perform literally any gymnastics necessary to absolve Trump of guilt for anything he's done.

So yeah, if basing my opinions off of the evidence I'm surrounded by daily makes me misanthropic, then sure, you can call me that if it makes you feel happy.

Are you sure you’re actually in favor of democracy, if you have such a misanthropic worldview?

Democracy, as the saying goes, is the worst system of government ever devised - except for all the others.

People are stupid, in every fucking system.

The difference is, in a democracy, you have to (theoretically, and depending on the health of the democratic system) get a massive percentage of very stupid or very malicious people to make stupid decisions on behalf of the polity, whereas in narrower forms of government, you only need a small percentage of very stupid or very malicious people who are well-placed.

Democracy is a safeguard, not an aegis, not a panacea. All systems of government are ultimately only as good as the people who comprise them; and while I'd sooner trust "The entire adult population" over "A self-selected cabal", that does not mean the former will always make good, moral, sensible, or even self-interested decisions.

IMHO, Liberals (in the American sense, rather than the pure ideology) change the rules to reduce and even remove viable choices, whilst Fascists just directly do the chosing for you.

In other words, Liberals take the posh, pressure-based path to constrain others so that they ultimatelly do what's best for the Liberal leadership (or suffer if they don't), whilst Fascists just use Force directly or at best with a thin layer of social acceptability in the form of Laws that make your not doing what they want illegal.

Because of the far more covert nature of the way Liberals force choices on others and the many layers than compose the system they use to do it, unlike with the straightforward lasso-on-the-neck of Fascists many people literally can't see that they're being corralled by Liberals into specific choices and think that with Liberals they're free.