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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Explanation: In the First Punic War, the Roman Republic utterly smashed its nemesis, Carthage. In the Second Punic War, things might've gone similarly, except for a brilliant Carthaginian general - Hannibal - who spent almost two decades terrorizing the Romans in their own heartland, using a number of novel stratagems to outwit and outmatch the numerically superior Roman forces, and crush them in open battle.

During this time, a young Roman aristocrat, our dear Scipio (later given the name Africanus for his victories), entered into military service. Learning from Hannibal's strategies and tactics, and with a razor-sharp mind of his own, Scipio managed to flip the script and used Hannibal's own tactics against other Carthaginian forces, eventually culminating in a battle between Scipio and Hannibal himself, a battle which Scipio won.

Learn from your enemies, kids - it could save your Republic one day!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You see Scipio Africanus as a hero for defeating Hannibal.

I see Scipio Africanus as a villain for defeating Hannibal.

We are not the same.

(This message was brought to you by ~~Quintus Fabius Maximus~~ Carthage. It's totally sponsored by Carthage)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe this is what's wrong with the world today. What kind of timeline would we have had if Carthage had defeated the Romans

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe this is what’s wrong with the world today. What kind of timeline would we have had if Carthage had defeated the Romans

Titus, get the cross

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

CETERVM CENSEO CARTHAGINEM ESSE DELENDAM

(this message totally isn't sponsored by Marcus Porcius Cato)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Titus, get the cross

Is that a sexual fetish reference? .... or do you just hate Carthage?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Dude, shut up! They're gonna salt your farmlands** if you don't stop Carthage-posting!

**(the salting of Carthage is apocryphal with dubious supporting historical evidence.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Historians regularly point out that Scipio's victory over Hannibal was a little bit too poetic in nature, as if designed to fit into a wider cultural narrative.

Not to say there never was a Scipio Africanus or anything, but what we know about him and Hannibal is heavily skewed by what the Romans thought was narratively fullfilling.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Historians regularly point out that Scipio’s victory over Hannibal was a little bit too poetic in nature, as if designed to fit into a wider cultural narrative.

I've literally never heard this claim before, do you have any examples of the claim being made?