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"Definitely never seen this type of response to a FOIA request," quipped one journalist.

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[–] [email protected] 189 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This is very common for Muskolini, any press contacts are often let go, makes obtaining damning information impossible/improbable. None of his companies staff a PR department as far as I know. Why anybody puts up with this guy and his companies is beyond me.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Muskolini

Sounds like a pasta. A shitty pasta.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The word Duce (a title used by Mussolini - il duce) and Doge, have the same Latin etymology

The word is from the Venetian language, reaching English via French. Doge, along with the related English word duke and the Italian duce, duca (masculine) and duchessa (feminine) all descend from the Latin dux, meaning either "spiritual leader" or "military commander".

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

No, absolutely not. I'm sorry, but that's a bullshit false cognate that gives Musk way too much credit. The reality is much simpler, and stupider: it's just a meme misspelling of "dog" that, even in its initial conception, was canonically coined by an idiot.

The etymology of "dog" is admittedly a little mysterious, but I can't find anything at all to suggest it's even slightly related to "dux."

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Same thing happened with the Twitter takeover.

All the official, PR/Communications staff were fired or quit, nobody had any idea what any actual policy changes were real or not.

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[–] [email protected] 177 points 1 month ago (4 children)

They are literally fucking up entire US government.

[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Yep:

“I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.” — Grover Norquist

That was 25 years ago. It's always been their plan. They want to dismantle democracy and replace it with a corporatocracy, oligarchy, or similar authoritarian structure.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Americans wouldn't let that happen.

Right, Americans?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of course! Isn't this situation what the second amendment is for? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's the situation they claim it's for, but no it isn't. The second amendment is to have a militia ready to defend the nation in case of invasion. Militias were the norm at the time, not standing professional armies, which the newly founded tiny union of states certainly didn't expect to have. That time came and went though and some people carried the corpse of the second amendment and turned it into something else that it clearly isn't.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Part of the GOP plan. First fuck up government so completely it doesn't work, then scream that government doesn't work and should be defunded and shut down.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Exactly. Destroying the government is thier wet dream.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, not all of the government. Just the parts that could hold them accountable for anything they do.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I think at this point, it's all of the government. If it can be privatized, why wouldn't they push to eliminate that sector of the government and then install their own corporate entities?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think the driving forces are more likely sociopathic corporate interests that want deregulation and foreign adversaries who want to see the US government dismantled (and allies driven away, and growing social division)

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Not entirely true.

All these firings are likely going to result in classaction lawsuits, and the judiciary (so far) has been very responsive to Trump's power grabs. You'll recall they shut him down on DOGE's Treasury incursion, birthright citizenship, and the funding freeze. (Among others)

It may seem like everything's fucked up, but that's only because your social media feed and executive orders create chaos faster than the judiciary can check it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah that's why I'm trying to take a more passive approach and only monitor the situation *gestures vaguely*.

I can't affect anything that happens at the national level anyway, so all I can do is be on the lookout for harm to myself or my loved ones and do my best to mitigate it.

We have FOUR MORE YEARS of this, and after that its going to take decades to get back to where we were two months ago. So, buckle in, I hope you weren't hoping for any kind of societal progess or innovation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

We have FOUR MORE YEARS of this

Not necessarily. Clinton, Dubya, Obama, and Trump all went into office with Congress and lost it at the mid-terms, and as we saw with the Muslim ban, Trump's a bit of a bitch when the judiciary stands up to him. It's just a matter of time until these attempts start to slow down.

The downside is that Dems rule as conservatives too, so it's likely whatever the judiciary doesn't reverse will be permanent.

But, as we saw with similar activities in the McCarthyist era, the damage is reversible. (But I know that's not much consolation, but it's consolation to me to know that this isn't the first time someone has tried to brute force fascism in government and been stopped.)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

I don't think you realize just how long it takes to hire federal employees, or reconstitute entire agencies (like CFPB).

tens of thousands of people forced out, thousands of research grants and projects canceled, hundreds of programs stifled...

this is the end of the federal government as we know it, and it will take a generation (20+ yrs) of back to back Democrat administrations to rebuild it. that's not going to happen.

the oligarchs won dude. kids growing up today will never know how much has been lost. the corporate media will make sure all they know is 'we've always been at war with eastasia''

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Clinton, Dubya, Obama, and Trump all went into office with Congress and lost it at the mid-terms, and as we saw with the Muslim ban,

Lost what at the mid-terms? Congress? You think he needs Congress to do all of this shit? Have you been paying attention?

There is no rule-of-law. No structure to these systems. It's just pure defiance at whatever "social norms" are holding this house of cards together.

Nobody is putting up a reasonable fight with these EOs, so they just happen. Elon just wanders into government buildings and systems without criminal charges. No police action. No hard punishments.

And whatever fighting back is occurring in the courts, where we will never see a settlement before the courts themselves get dismantled before our eyes.

We're fucked. Stop using past history as a guide.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Lost what at the mid-terms? Congress? You think he needs Congress to do all of this shit? Have you been paying attention?

Nope. But losing Congress will make it harder. We saw this with his first term.

There is no rule-of-law.

That's factually incorrect. I provided several examples above.

Nobody is putting up a reasonable fight with these EOs,

Again, wrong.

We’re fucked

Totally, man. That's why the funding freeze was reversed in less than 24 hours after a lawsuit was filed. You need to turn off the TV, stop doomscrolling, breathe, and maybe watch some alternative media.

Stop using past history as a guide.

You may need to start.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All these firings are likely going to result in classaction lawsuits, and the judiciary (so far) has been very responsive to Trump’s power grabs. You’ll recall they shut him down on DOGE’s Treasury incursion, birthright citizenship, and the funding freeze. (Among others)

Yeah, good luck with that in 2-4 years, when those lawsuits pan out. And then they get appealed to the Supreme Court, where the GOP-majority lapdogs say "yessir" and rule in favor of chaos.

We couldn't even get Trump convicted of criminal charges in time. What makes you think the judiciary is going to save us?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No, they are NOT literally fucking the US government. They are figuratively fucking up the entire US government.

Literally fucking up the US government would be some kind of orgy at the Senate. Or a bukkae of The Statue of Liberty.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

protip: if you're gonna criticise another's words, make sure you don't make any typos. Just sayin'

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One thing I would like to say for people who aren't familiar and won't read the article:

Every federal agency has its own FOIA team, in this case the OPM FOIA team was slaughtered and flayed for sport. It's possible other agency's FOIA teams were removed, but also more likely that they still exist. This wasn't a blanket death of all FOIA, just the death of arguably the most important FOIA team

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

OPM is the most important? I don't even know that acronym

I would argue FOIA requests on the intelligence community is the most important

[–] rimmedalpha 34 points 1 month ago

Office of Personnel Management, basically oversees all US Gov employees.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
  • Intelligence Communities work with classified stuff more than anyone. You may only FOIA unclassified stuff so the information and documents you can FOIA is limited

  • OPM is the most important at the moment as they are the office primarily under attack and being abused by Elon Musk and DOGE. They are the vehicle that Musk is using and abusing to try and destroy all Federal workers across every agency.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

OPM is the most important in the “keeps the gears of the government moving” sense. It’s basically the federal government’s HR department. Without OPM, no federal workers get hired, get paid, etc… It’s not glamorous or politically charged work, which is why you rarely hear about them. But they recently hit the news because Elon kicked their doors in and illegally installed his own servers to capture personal data about every single federal worker.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

CNN is sympathetic to fascists. I’m happy to not give them a click.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Common dreams headline is funnier and more succinct.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Holy shit, I called it.

I thought they’d have Congress do it, but this was more efficient, so yay?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Who needs Congress when the supreme Court is behind you?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They already know the Supreme Court is too slow. By the time it lands on their desk, the damage was already done a long time ago.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

So it seems like CNN doesn't follow the news of the day do they? To my recollection Trump had DOGE actions covered under the Presidential Records system so they are classified for a number of years and not allowed to be requested by FOIA requests until that time passes. So as of now their request would just be denied anyway.

You know, Totally Transparent Government™©® things... Definitely not doing anything wrong that needs to be hidden right?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Slight clarification, presidential records are subject to foia a few years after the presidency. But yes, transparent in the way that Elon "jail CNN for badmouthing doge" musk is a free speech absolutist.

The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) applies to the Presidential Records Act (PRA) five years after the President has left office.

https://www.archives.gov/news/topics/presidential-records-act

EDIT: thinking about this more, you can definitely foia the clearances he had from SpaceX contracts. You know, back when he smoked weed on Joe Rogans podcast and got absolutely no consequences.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

💩 coming soon

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

🎶 Doo doo doo🎶 its an oligarchy 🎶 doo doo doo 🎶 it's happening right now 🎶 tell your friends.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm confused with the "doo doo doo", so I'm just gonna read your comment to the tune of "baby shark"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Here I'll add the notes emoji

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but this isnt new. The US was founded by Oligarchs. It always has been an oligarchy.

What's new is the slip into fascism. We haven't seen that since between the two world wars (read Smedly Butler)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

This was planned and on purpose.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

How convenient, considering one of the extremely few checks we have available on DOGE destructive powers is FOIA requests.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

It's hard to keep track of everything getting killed.

With this one now the transparency they're touting so much has been cut off at source. What next?

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