You know you done fucked up when Hideo Kojima can't follow your storyline.
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We will know the MCU is truly cooked when either an American Kingdom Hearts uberfan, or Tetsuya Nomura himself can't figure out the MCU plotline.
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What does "officially becoming Cap" mean?
Steve Rogers Captain America literally passes the Captain America shield to Sam Wilson in Endgame. Is that not officially Sam Wilson Captain America's start?
Sure, Falcon and the Winter Soldier will go on to tell the story of Sam's struggle in becoming the next Captain America, but by that series end, Sam is definitely Captain America.
When Brave New World starts, Sam is Captain America. The opening battle, that's Sam Wilson Captain America.
If you've seen Endgame, you know Sam is Cap. If you've seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier, you know Sam is Cap. If your introduction is Brave New World... Sam is Cap.
That said I get the Brave New World & Thunderbolts confusion. Bucky is a Captain America character, so seeing Bucky in the Thunderbolts trailer makes that film seem like a Captain America film. I know it's not that simple and it's a shared universe, but I get that one.
He did say that he vaguely remembered the end of Endgame with the handing over of the shield, and that he did not see Falcon and Winter Soldier, so from his perspective it does seem jarring for him to be Captain America all of a sudden. Perspectives matter.
If I had to guess what he was communicating it would be about an official re-showing of the handover of the mantle in the beginning of this new movie, and not requiring people to have seen a previous TV series.
It could have even been just a montage, from him being given the shield, to where he was at the beginning of the opening battle in this movie, mixing in a recap of Falcon and Winter Soldier best scenes.
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What the fuck is that licensing link at the bottom of your comment all about?
People think it actually means something. Kinda like the “post this on Facebook to prevent Meta from using your post!” type things. It’s just feel good pointlessness that won’t effect anything meaningful.
Just go look at my posting history, go back about ten months or so, and you'll get a full understanding what it's all about. Focus on the comments that discuss Safe Harbor laws.
If you're just going to mock me about it, to try and dissuade me from using it in the future, don't bother, it hasn't worked in the past, and it won't work now.
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A) I don't care about your posting history or any other person's. It's not important.
B) I wasn't planning to mock you, but you're definitely being a little defensive.
C) Since you're being so defensive, you actually think that it holds any water or would stand up to legal scrutiny given that you're posting on a publicly accessible forum?
This feels like the online equivalent to wearing an N95 face mask while on a hike away from civilization: pointless.
A) I don’t care about your posting history or any other person’s. It’s not important.
Well the answers to your questions are in that posting history, so it is important, if you're being intellectually honest about the questions that you're asking, and not just astroturfing.
I'm trying to NOT repeat myself now, and derail and sidetrack the conversation currently being had.
B) I wasn’t planning to mock you, but you’re definitely being a little defensive.
No, I'm not being defensive, at least not in the way you think I am. It's just a matter of the repetitiveness, defending from the constant attacks about using it being very tiring, as well as derailing the actual conversations currently being had, and I'd rather avoid them.
C) Since you’re being so defensive, you actually think that it holds any water or would stand up to legal scrutiny given that you’re posting on a publicly accessible forum?
I stand by what I said, and I believe the laws on my side on this matter, especially when it comes in Safe Harbor laws, and how laws are greater than user agreements.
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you already got one link, you might as well add another one explaining it all so I can not click it as well
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But that's my point, you don't need to have seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It adds character growth and is worth seeing, but if you skip it and only watch Endgame and Brave New World, he ends one as Captain America and starts the other as Captain America.
Additionally if there were any confusion, before Sam Wilson gets all suited up we watch a news anchor talk about Sam Wilson as Captain America, cut to a bar where Sam Wilson is called Cap and then the bartender repeats that the drink is on the house for Cap.
No one watched Spider-Man No Way Home and went, wait, when did Tony Stark die? Why is Peter so sad about Tony Stark?
I havent seen Brave New World yet, but Marvel movies really should start doing something in their intros to briefly show important moments in prequel movies
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he ends one as Captain America and starts the other as Captain America.
But he's just handed a shield, and nothing more, at the end of Endgame.
That just shows a beginning, and the new movie shows an end, but nothing in between is shown, unless you've seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
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Pulling the scene from IMDB,
Sam Wilson: Only thing bumming me out is the fact that I have to live in a world without Captain America.
Steve Rogers: Oh. That reminds me...
[reaches under the bench and takes out his old Captain America shield]
Steve Rogers: Try it on.
[Sam stares a few moments in stunned silence, then slowly picks up the shield and puts it on]
Steve Rogers: How's it feel?
Sam Wilson: Like it's someone else's.
Steve Rogers: It isn't.
Sam Wilson: [deeply moved] Thank you. I'll do my best.
Steve Rogers: That's why it's yours.
Where is the ambiguity? It's not hand him the shield and then nothing. They have a conversation, if you watch the scene the camera hangs on Sam when he holds the shield. He is feeling the weight of this decision.
Look at the opening of Captain America Civil War. Wanda is fighting alongside Steve Rogers and Falcon. Is she an Avenger? I know at the end of Age of Ultron she turns against Ultron and then she is in the Avengers compound but the film cuts off before Steve says "Assemble", he just says "Avengers...". Civil War would have been a better film if, instead of the opening battle, Steve took Wanda aside and said, "Hey it's cool that you're an Avenger now."
Would the solution have been for Brave New World to have a scene where the news reporter says," As everyone knows Steve Rogers famously handed the title of Captain America to Sam Wilson."?
Smh at what anime will do to a motherfucker. There's nothing wrong with expecting the audience to read between the lines
The only thing missing is a literal torch to pass.
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In the Thunderbolts Trailer, it shows US Agent (who has a costume similar to Captain America) using a round shield to block gunfire. If that trailer played before the movie he was watching, it's understandable someone that didn't watch Falcon and Winter Soldier would think "oh that guy is Captain America now, I guess? Thought Sam Wilson was going to be Captain America... but ok, I guess." Then the move starts and it actually is Sam Wilson as Captain America.
This is the problem with there being so many entries into the franchise and filmmakers assuming everyone has watched them all. Most people aren't going to know who US Agent is and from the Thunderbolts trailer, they might assume it's a new Captain America.
I agree with Thunderbolts confusion. Brave New World and Thunderbolts should not be coming out back to back.
Brave New World was originally due out a year ago, but things happen.
Now the idea that John Walker caused the confusion actually makes a lot more sense. If you've never seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and the last trailer you saw was for Thunderbolts you could be confused why some dude who looks like Cap shows up. THEN you watch Brave New World, it's Sam, like you always thought. Now it seems like you missed something, because you did, but that thing now feels noticable.
That all actually makes more sense.
It felt so strange to me, as it seemed like Bucky was the more natural choice to pick up the mantle. Might've been more interesting too
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If kojima can't follow your story, you know you're cooked.
Am I the only one who reads this as satire by Kojima?
This is literally what people used to say about his convoluted plots with a million references.
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I thought it was pretty obvious he was going to be the next Cap after End Game (? The one where they finally beat Thanos). Even if you hadn't seen Winter Soldier, it was super obvious foreshadowing in Endgame.
I vaguely remember big boss being a woman in MGS3 but then in 5 suddenly they're a man?!
I get your point, however the pedant inside me wants to point out that they literally proclaimed Naked Snake "Big Boss" at the end of MGS3.
Also she was called "The Boss".
You know why she was "The Boss?" Because it's not nice to call a lady big. 😌
Unless it's Eva calling herself Big Mama in 4.
TIL there's more than one Captain America. Dude's pulling a Spider-Man
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I mean the show is about Sam deciding if he wants to be cap or not
Yeah but it's demonstrating pretty handily that demanding your audience watch a streaming series to follow your movie beats is a bad idea.
Especially such a mediocre one
This is satire, this is the same kind of nonsense people said about his games.
This is a tongue in cheek statement by Kojima.
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I want to know how he feels about Red Hulk throwing hands with Sam.
Not everyone rewatches MCU movies every year, so it’s understandable. What I don’t understand is why people think it would take a whole movie to convey that Sam Wilson is now Captain America.
"It's me, I'm here, deal with it"
I don't get it. They should cater specifically to people who have seen other Captain America movies but haven't seen (or don't remember) Endgame? What an arbitrarily narrow demographic.
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I don't get why people have the simultaneous stance of:
- I refuse to watch even a recap (let alone the series) of other content prior to watching a movie
- I demand that no details have changed, and if so, everything is laid out in explicit detail so I can enjoy this movie about strong dudes punching each other
Pick a lane guys
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