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[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Isn't one of the point of the phenom of enshifitication that it's near ubiquitous? The reason it can continue is because it reached a critical mass, leaving us few workable alternatives, like a symptom of monopolization. I'd wager some companies feel like they won't survive if they don't keep up, not sure if that assessment is true but I bet many think it is.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Enshitified product exists - > good alternative arises to meet demand - > good alternative becomes popular - > good alternative either becomes enshitified to maximize profits or is purchased by owner of original enshitified product.

The capitalist way.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago

the circle of online life

Get used to it. Nothing lasts forever.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago

FOSS FOSS FOSS and self-host.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (16 children)

Browsers I tried yesterday (on Linux):

  • Zen: neat, but the UI is too different for my taste
  • Floorp: also neat, but features I don't use
  • Waterfox: sweet spot for me

Librewolf and Waterfox seem pretty similar on paper. I went with Waterfox cuz idk. So far, Waterfox seems to be a drop-in replacement. I haven't noticed any problems with websites and haven't run into any bugs.

One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.

Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Zen: is Firefox

Floorp: is Firefox

Waterfox: is Firefox

Librewolf: is Firefox

They are all dependent on Mozilla and its choices.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago

There is some degree of independence. For example, if Mozilla releases some super evil patch tomorrow, I'm pretty sure everyone would just patch it out immediately. In fact, this is what most derivatives seem to do, patch out the ad/telemetry stuff.

But yeah, these are all modified Firefox browsers. Hopefully, nobody was thinking these were unique, new, browsers.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

No, being a fork doesn't mean it's the same browser.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.

Same for LibreWolf.

Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳

I was thinking I should ditch android FF, too...

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 144 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Their Swiss CEO decided that supporting an authoritarian American neo nazi regime was a good idea

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 weeks ago

And they decided that posting on Mastodon was bad so switched back to r*****.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

He's not Swiss, he's from Taiwan

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The creator is pro-Trump and they also recently stopped posting updates to Mastodon citing "they don't have the resources" for it, or something like that.

Correct me if I have missed something; I've got no skin in the game, I just see the drama a lot.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Found this the other day, and it sorta makes me agree that this is getting a little blown up

https://lemm.ee/post/55314225

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago

And the top comment explains why it indeed is such s big issue. This is incomprehensibly incompetent.

There are few more services you need to be able to trust beyond your mail and VPN. If you have still trust then that's ok, don't get me wrong - but stating "just because the CEO spewed s bit of pro trump shit this got blown out of proportion" doesn't acknowledge the propositions at all.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Andy Yen, who probably doesn't keep up with U.S. news outside what he needs to for his company's business needs, said an egghead thing.

Unless he said something else everyone is blowing this out of proportion.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

said an egghead thing

The dumbification really does seem to permeate everything everywhere, doesn't it. Imagine circlejerking antiintellectual regime taking points on lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, "everyone" being radicals online who think that everything is some sort of call to war. Normal people realize what it is. There are sprinkles of sane people here on Lemmy, but they're drowned out by the crazies.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

So weird these business guys get involved into political crap. It's gotta alienate one side or another, simply lose lose.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nothing. The CEO dared to congrat someone (Trump) that other people (including myself) heavily dislike from the wrong account. So, tolerant and rational people want to cancel him and his company.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm sorry but what possible positive can you find in Proton doing that?

In what universe does his kissing the feet of that dicator equate to us keeping our lives private?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The mozilla thing seems to be mostly bad PR, but yeah...

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They took out the clause in their policy about not selling user data.

It's pretty obvious what follows that

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

https://youtu.be/-8bTquKjzos That sums it up. The definition of what counts as "selling data" changed...

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Cool cool, lumping "I love fascists, actually" together with "We're clarifying our legal positions"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So why does a free and ethical software need a user data collection policy that we have to agree to?

Why do they suddenly need to start collecting our data?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

I assume because either their legal department, or it sounds like maybe this new exec Varma, thought that the previous language opened them up to potential liability in some jurisdictions.

The brightline for me is when the terms actually become onerous. If you were an extreme privacy nerd you were already using a fork anyway, for the average user there's nothing in the terms that's threatening yet IMO.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I’m trying out 3 different browsers atm and I think I’ll just keep all 3 and cycle though or use at different privacy settings. I will miss Firefox and not having to think about my browser. Can’t wait to watch all 3 go to shit as well.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Librewolf seems exactly the same, but it breaks Lemmy for me. It's probably a setting I didn't know to turn off.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's likely the resist fingerprinting option. It breaks many websites or those that use bot checking thing.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, someone made Graphene OS, a fork of Android. Surely someone can also do that for Firefox, right? 👀

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

There are several Firefox forks. Waterfox (based in Europe UK), Librewolf, Zen etc.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

This thread got removed where it listed all of the things reddit collects, but we shouldn't get complacent here either. We need to check our instances.

Some of the instances do this here. This is not a 100% haven. It’s great and waaaay better, but still, check into your instances, Lemmies.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

use truly foss apps. Anything that’s has a corp built around it is going to enshitify

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I went all-in on proton a few years ago but I dislike the direction in which they are going now. Does anybody have tips on how (and where) to switch smoothly. I could self host email but I've heard that it's a big hassle

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I wonder what is going to be Firefox reason to even exist if we already have Chrome and Edge?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

It's a generally recognised principle in economics that we want competition to take place, and for consumers to have a choice - for a plethora of reasons too large to list here. The most important IMO is a political one though: we don't want monopolies for the same reason we don't want monarchies and dictatorships. Being the sole provider of any very important product puts an obscene amount of power in the hand of a single corporation (or a handful of them). We never want that much power to be so concentrated in so few individuals, because it's fundamentally injust, and always leads to catastrophe. Also consider that if that power is a corporation or a "private" individual, they're not accountable to anyone but their shareholders (who, in turn never want the corp to be anything other than a money making machine). Even a dictator is more accountable to his subjects than a multinational corporation is to anyone. So there you have it, that's why we need alternatives.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

constructs like companies and software come and go but the individuals, the movement that strives for freedom stays the same

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

What about Proton? If you mean the fiasco a few weeks back then that's a false alarm where the internet just went apeshit over an innocent remark.

Edit: From what I've seen from these replies, it's all false alarms and nothing actually implicates Proton here. A Swiss company is not obligated to put up a disclaimer saying Trump bad every time they want to talk about American politics (which they only do so far as it pertains to their privacy mandate).

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The article says they were literally forced to comply with the request by Swiss Law as the request went through the proper legal channels.

They also only disclosed the accounts recovery email address. Everything else was obtained by Apple.

Why is reading sources so hard for people?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Also their announcement to stop posting on Mastodon and this blogpost

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