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Also offensive: pointing out that English speakers do not use the word "American" to refer to people from Latin America. The term in our language is universally used to refer to people from the country America.
It's so weird how some people are so committed to this. "United Statesian" and variants thereof don't actually solve the perceived problem due to the fact that Mexico is formally the United Mexican States (Brazil, Venezuela, and Colombia were all United States of their own in the past too). And besides that, there are so many other examples of countries using the name of something they do not encompass the whole of. South Africa? Not actually the whole of the south of Africa, it turns out. The Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Republic of the Congo? Both not the only country in the Congo basin. The European Union isn't all of Europe, Sudan doesn't include South Sudan, and the only part of the river Indus that's in India is in disputed Kashmir
For anyone interested, here's the modlog , and to recap:
You get corrected by a Brazilian correctly saying they're also American, and disagree with the US's imperialist co-opting of that term to exclude the majority of Americans.
You respond to them by denigrating "arrogant spanish speakers" (Portuguese is the language spoken in Brazil btw), and get banned for a week.
You're even continuing to do racist rants in this very thread, like this comment of yours below
The Latin Americans complaining about the use of the term “America” to refer to the country of America were the most arrogant, rude arseholes I had come across.
If every mod would do this, we'd have a lot less low-effort posts here from people who are claiming a wrongful ban because they were "just innocently explaining """racial truths""" to people".
The cherry picked comments from the "wrongfully" banned person are usually not nearly a juicy as the ones the banning moderator can show.
To be extremely clear, your summary grossly misrepresents what actually happens. Deliberately, I suspect, to back up the fact that the mods banned me and not you despite your extremely blatant violations of the sub's (and your own instance's) rules here. Or was it you who abused your admin powers here to silence someone criticising your bad argument?
I have only ever taken issue with Spanish and Portuguese speakers who try to correct my usage of the language, or others who say "American" when they mean person from the country of America. If they simply choose to use estadounidense or some English translation thereof, I have no problem with that. But trying to correct someone else for using the language completely correctly (and the flaws of your source have already been thoroughly debunked elsewhere in this thread, I shan't bother repeating myself there) makes you the racist (as much as "race" is the right term to use here...which it isn't, precisely) imperialist here.
I'm with you on this one Dessalines.
PTB, easy. Regardless of where one stands on the issue of 'Americans', pretty mildly correcting someone for assuming your nationality and using that to disparage your opinion is not (or should not be) a removable offense.
Eh, it is what it is.
ML is pretty well known for mods either power tripping, or at least pushing the boundaries to the edge.
This one could go either way.
Technically the comment was a rule violation, so removing the comment isn't totally power tripping.
The problem is that your comment was the least political in the whole damn thread. Like, even my comment was a tad more political than yours, depending on how you look at it. And even that was way less than dessalines' tangent.
The entire post was about language and word usage, and your comment definitely was not political, nor was it in any way rude or insulting.
I'm still really surprised your comment got reported/removed, but mine didn't. It was confusing as hell when I came back after a response and saw yours gone.
So, yeah, definitely PTB. If they'd nuked everyone, I could see it being clueless mods, but targeting yours just means they got a report and wiped it, so that's dumber than dammit, even if it wasn't a literal power trip
Oh, incidentally I also reported dessaline's comment. Like you say, they were pretty obviously behaving in an offensive manner. I figure if the mods are removing my comments (and giving me a weeklong ban!!), they had for sure better remove dessaline's, which is far more directly offensive with its completely unfounded accusation of white supremacy and calling you illiterate.
In relation to the claims they make about America not being used prior to the 20th century...even their own article proves them wrong.
For some thirty years prior to 1898, while the adjective ‘American’ has been in general use, the noun ‘America’ has been extremely rare,
it says. Remembering that this is a thread specifically about the demonym. So the adjective has been in widespread use since at least the 19th century, despite what our fascistic friend says.
Not that the claim made in that article is exactly correct. One of my favourite books (and certainly my favourite pre-20th-century text) uses some derivation of "America" no fewer than 7 times, two of which are nouns. Not exactly an obscure text, and not one with any reason to be strongly biased in favour of America. Still, that at only serves as proof that the claim in the article is wrong by at least 1 year, so it's not the most damning. Not as damning as the fact that the article given in evidence that "American" only exists because imperialism (never mind the bleeding obvious...America as a country, and indeed all the various other countries of the Americas, only exist because of imperialism) specifically states that "American" existed prior.
I actually wanted to reach out to the mods and ask what's up before posting this. But Lemmy's lack of a modmail feature means when I want to contact mods, I have to direct message them individually. And it looks like all the mods of that community are inactive, with the most recent one only having been active 2 months ago. So I wouldn't even know who to reach out to.
YDI. Seems like a really dumb take. AFAIK to many folks (not from the USA) North Americans are from Canada, USA, Mexico combined with the Central and South American countries, they are collectively known as The Americas. Everyone in the Americas is American in the same sense that all Africans are African despite there being many countries. The arrogance of USAsians co-opting the name of the whole continent of The Americas as though they are the only country that matters is kind of mind boggling.
The thread was literally asking "hey, what are the right words to use to refer to people from America". Even if my take was wrong (and I maintain in the strongest terms that it was not...see my reply to @[email protected]) it was a respectful input to the discussion at hand. "YDI" is the dumbest of dumb takes. Contributing to a thread about a given topic with input on that topic does not deserve a ban and to have your opinion silenced.
You going on racist rants, calling spanish speakers arrogant (which you've done twice now), is not anything we will ever allow on lemmy.ml.
Also the absolute gall of someone calling spanish speakers arrogant, when it's the US who's trying their best to exclude them from a designation they call themselves.
Also the absolute gall of someone calling spanish speakers arrogant, when it's the US who's trying their best to exclude them from a designation they call themselves.
Not only does that not say what you claim it does, it's also deeply inaccurate. Fuck's sake.
Ya. Both of those qualities represent an incredibly recognizable pattern.
Yeah at this point I'm just telling everyone posting an ML ban YDI. You know what kind of place ML is yet you keep interacting with them. The place is a cesspool of fascism apologia and censorship. Just block the instance and post somewhere actually worth posting.