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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Anytime a company reduces the functionality of a device through software or firmware they should have to offer to buy back the hardware. The depreciation rate should be set at time of purchase so you know how much you get if they neuter it a year from now.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

Why allow depreciation? You wouldn't have bought it with the reduced functionality, and it's going to cost you time and effort to remove it and replace it with something else. Inflation will reduce the value more than enough.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah, but that means they don't get your money anymore! Think of the ~~profits~~ ~~shareholders~~ children!

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Or they could like... just not be dicks and supply firmware updates without the lock-in, instead of having to trade off security to use your device however you want.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I must buy a printer soon. Thank you for reminding me to avoid HP products.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

This is the way. My brother printer is a hl2040, came out sometime in the early 2000s. It still prints. I've replaced the toner cartridge once since my Dad gave it to me back in 2016.

The other day I needed to print something out and this was after I had reinstalled linux.

Just fired right up, instantly recognized. Its one of the best pieces of hardware I own.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are "brother" the nice guys at the moment?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

relatively speaking

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Laser printer and probably brother, it's worth the extra up front cost 10 fold

For an old color Dell Laser printer I got from a thrift store years ago I can find 4 color sets of toner for it for $40-60

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

brother is currently enshittifying right now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My current bother printer is a pile of shit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which printer and why? I just bought three L8690CDW Colour laser printers for me and my family after calling Brother who were happy to talk me thought my concerns, they informed me that this model does not have chipped cartridges so it’s ineligible for their cartridge subscription program and they also can’t tell if the cartridge is genuine or not. They don’t care if you use 3rd party toner.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

No idea. Some model I bought off Amazon.

The printer headers are constantly moving out of alignment. Every time I print I need to realign the headers.

Probably has something to do with the printer starting up every few days and making a bunch of noise doing who knows what.

I hate this fucking printer and will never buy brother again.

Edit: according to my order history it’s the ink jet MFC-J4335DW.

I realize that lasers are better from a printing consistency standpoint but the issue I have with it isn’t the ink. It’s everything else. Shitty design. It breaks down because it was poorly designed.

If you want reliability brother ain’t it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Spill the beans, so others can avoid it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Oh BROTHER, not this again.

On a more serious note, I've been all about brother printers for a few years now and couldn't be happier.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

My current brother printer is a pile of shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They apparently restricted 3rd party ink now too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You got a source? Everyone else says it was debunked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Oh didn’t hear it was debunked. Cool to know!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Settles" lol the lawyers got their payout

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've never interpreted settling to imply lawyers don't get paid.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lawyers get paid either way, but that's about the most that comes of it. Settling means no legal precedent has been set, so businesses can pull this bullshit again in the future

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even better, the whole HP printer is optional.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Simple fix here, stop buying the companies that do this. I bought a brother printer and I won’t go back.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This was in the related articles: https://www.tomshardware.com/peripherals/printers/brother-denies-firmware-blocks-third-party-toner-and-ink-use

And I believe them. The reddit post in Rossman's video was 3 years old. I have personally installed and updated 5 Brother printers in the last year and they all still run on 3rd-party toner.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That sucks, I bought mine a few years ago and haven’t had any issues yet. 🤞

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I bought a 15 year old second-hand Brother laser printer - works like a charm, operates under both Windows and Linux, still has all the spare parts you can think of readily available, and you can just load any toner into the official cartridge to use it again, and again, and again.

Love it. Simple, dirt cheap, just works and does it well.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bullshittery aside, "HP Inc." Instead of just "HP" Is on the nose and has to be deliberate on the journalists behalf

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The actual reason is because in 2015 "Hewlett Packard" split into two companies, one called HP, Inc, and one called HP Enterprise. The print and consumer PC business went to HPI, while the server and network hardware went to HPE. So, writing just "HP" could be interpreted as ambiguous.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sometimes I wonder why there's no DIY Paper printer after seeing so...much shit in Printer Company ?
We had advance DIY 3D Printer that can made various objects with various size and materials and yet there's no DIY Paper printer until now

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I have an epson eco tank. No more ink cartridges.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Ink jets are trash tho

Laser or nothing.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What about printing head replacement?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

From my experience, those last years. But they are indeed a bit expensive... I have had my eco tank for the last 5 years, only had to replace the b/w printer head after around 4 thousand prints, and I'm almost sure it was my own fault for using expired low-quality ink that I had bought in bulk for super cheap.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

HP is like, "enjoy the security vulnerabilities"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

did the cups vulnerability get fixed?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

As someone who's worked on printer firmware before, it makes me really sad that a company can get away with making a consumer decide between getting access to any of the actually useful changes that engineers — who have no say over ink cartridge policy — put effort towards making the best product they could, or not having said ink cartridge policies forced on them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Still not interested in a fucking printer.

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