Ai cp, they found AI generated cp that had been generated on their service...
Explicit fakes makes it sound less bad.
They were allowing AI cp to be made.
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This is the type of shit that radicalizes me against generative AI. It's done so much more harm than good.
The craziest thing to me is there was movements to advocate the creation of CP through AI to help those addicted to it as it "wasn't real" and there were no victims involved in it. But no comments regarding how the LLM gained the models to generate those images or the damages that will come when such things get normalized.
It just should never be normalized or exist.
Just for what it's worth, you don't need CSAM in the training material for a generative AI to produce CSAM. The models know what children look like, and what naked adults look like, so they can readily extrapolate from there.
The fact that you don't need to actually supply any real CSAM to the training material is the reasoning being offered for supporting AI CSAM. It's gross, but it's also hard to argue with. We allow for all types of illegal subjects to be presented in porn; incest, rape, murder, etc. While most mainstream sites won't allow those types of material, none of them are technically outlawed - partly because of freedom of speech and artistic expression and yadda yadda, but also partly because it all comes with the understanding that it's a fake, made-for-film production and that nobody involved had their consent violated, so it's okay because none of it was actually rape, incest, or murder. And if AI CSAM can be made without actually violating the consent of any real people, then what makes it different?
I don't know how I feel about it, myself. The idea of "ethically-sourced" CSAM doesn't exactly sit right with me, but if it's possible to make it in a truly victimless manner, then I find it hard to argue outright banning something just because I don't like it.
Its a very difficult subject, both sides have merit. I can see the "CSAM created without abuse could be used in treatment/management of people with these horrible urges" but I can also see "Allowing people to create CSAM could normalise it and lead to more actual abuse".
Sadly its incredibly difficult for academics to study this subject and see which of those two is more prevalent.
There is also the angle of generated CSAM looking real adding difficulty in prosecuting real CSAM producers.
This, above any other reason, is why I'm most troubled with AI CSAM. I don't care what anyone gets off to if no one is harmed, but the fact that real CSAM could be created and be indistinguishable from AI created, is a real harm.
And I instinctively ask, who would bother producing it for real when AI is cheap and harmless? But people produce it for reasons other than money and there are places in this world where a child's life is probably less valuable than the electricity used to create images.
I fundamentally think AI should be completely uncensored. Because I think censorship limits and harms uses for it that might otherwise be good. I think if 12 year old me could've had an AI show me where the clitoris is on a girl or what the fuck a hymen looks like, or answer questions about my own body, I think I would've had a lot less confusion and uncertainty in my burgeoning sexuality. Maybe I'd have had less curiosity about what my classmates looked like under their clothes, leading to questionable decisions on my part.
I can find a million arguments why AI shouldn't be censored. Like, do you know ChatGPT can be convinced to describe vaginal and oral sex in a romantic fiction is fine, but if it's anal sex, it has a much higher refusal rate? Is that subtle anti-gay encoding in the training data? It also struggles with polyamory when it's two men and a woman but less when it's two women and a man. What's the long-term impact when these biases are built into everyday tools? These are concerns I consider all the time.
But at the end of the day, the idea that there are children out there being abused and consumed and no one will even look for them because "it's probably just AI" isn't something I can bear no matter how firm my convictions are about uncensored AI. It's something I struggle to reconcile.
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Nuanced take coming, take a breath:
I agree that Child Sexual Abuse is a horrible practice along with all other violence and oppression, sexual or not. But the attraction de facto exists and has done for thousands of years, even through intense taboos. It seems our current strategy of shaming and ignoring it has been ineffective. The definition of insanity being repeating the same thing expecting different results and all that.
Short of eugenics (and from previous trials maybe not even then) we might not be able to get rid of it.
So when do we try other ways of dealing with it?
I'm not saying generative AI is the solution, but I'm pretty sure denying harder isn't it.
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Anything like that involving children or child like individuals is a hard fucking no from me. It's like those mfs who have art of a little anime girl and go "actually shes a 5000 year old vampire." They know exactly what the fuck they're doing. I also hate the argument of "it's not real" like mf the sentiment is still there.
Probably got all the data to train for it from the pentagon. They're known for having tons of it and a lot of their staff (more than 25%) are used to seeing it frequently.
Easily searchable, though I don't like to search for that shit, but here's 1 post if you literally add pentagon to c____ p___ in a search a million articles on DIFFERENT subjects (than this house bill) come up https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/451383-house-bill-aims-to-stop-use-of-pentagon-networks-for-sharing-child/
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Is “CP” so you don’t get flagged, or is it for sensitivity.
I don't like saying the full phrase, it's a disgusting merger of words that shouldn't exist.
FYI, the current accepted term is csam. Children sexual abuse material. The reason why CP is wrong is that porn implies, or should imply, that there's consent on the sexual act, and children cannot consent.
You are right, it's a disgusting merger exactly because it implies something that's absolutely incorrect and wrong.
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Very true, thanks for your sensitivity @dumbass
It's pronounced "doo mah."
Wow so its from the duh region in france, here I thought it was just sparkling dumbass
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Generated AI CP should be illegalized even if its creation did not technically harm anyone. The reason is, presumably it looks too close to real CP, so close that it: 1) normalizes consumption of CP, 2) grows a market for CP, and 3) Real CP could get off the hook by claiming it is AI.
While there are similar reasons to be against clearly not real CP (e.g. hentai), this type at least does not have problem #3. For example, there doesnt need to be an investigation into whether a picture is real or not.
The biggest issue with this line of thinking is, how do you prove it's CP without a victim. I suppose at a certain threshold it becomes obvious, but that can be a very blurry line (there was a famous case where a porn star had to be flown to a court case to prove the video wasn't CP, but can't find the link right now).
So your left with a crime that was committed with no victim and no proof, which can be really easy to abuse.
Edit: This is the case I was thinking of - https://nypost.com/2010/04/24/a-trial-star-is-porn/
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What the fuck is AI being trained on to produce the stuff?
Pictures of clothed children and naked adults.
Nobody trained them on what things made out of spaghetti look like, but they can generate them because smushing multiple things together is precisely what they do.
Well, that's somewhat reassuring.
Still reprehensible that it's being used that way, of course.
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AI CP seems like a promising way to destroy demand for the real thing. How many people would risk a prison sentence making or viewing the real thing when they could push a button and have a convincing likeness for free with no children harmed? Flood the market with cheap fakes and makers of the real thing may not find it profitable enough to take the risk.
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Fun fact it's already illegal. If it's indistinguishable from the real thing it's a crime.
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Who actually gets hurt in AI generated cp? The servers?
I'm no pedo, but what you do in your own home and hurts nobody is your own thing.
Yes, but how is the AI making the images or videos? It has to be trained on SOMETHING.
So, regardless of direct harm or not, harm is done at some point in the process and it needs to be stopped before it slips and gets worse because people "get used to" it.
Ai can combine two things. It can train on completely normal pictures of children, and it can train on completely normal adult porn, and then it can put those together.
This is the same reason it can do something like Godzilla with Sailor Moon's hair, not because it trained on images of Godzilla with Sailor Moon's hair, but because it can combine those two separate things.
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I wouldn't think it needs to have child porn in the training data to be able to generate it. It has porn as the data, it knows what kids look like, merge the two. I think that works for anything AI knows about, make this resemble this.
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needs to be stopped before it slips and gets worse because people "get used to" it.
Ah, right, almost finally forgot the killer games rhetoric.
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Making a photo of a child based off of real photos in a sexual manner is essentially using said child in the training data as the one in the act..
But who is actually getting hurt? No kid has gotten hurt using Gen AI.
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Are you suggesting that this particular type of CP should be acceptable? (And suddenly "but I used AI" becomes a popular defence.)
No cp should be acceptable. But I argue AI generated isn't cp.
This is no different than someone cutting out a child's head from a Target catalog and sticking it to a body on a playboy magazine and masturbating to it.
Or someone using Photoshoping a kids head to a pornographic photo.
It's just a more accessible version of those examples.
At the end of the day, what you do in your own home is your thing. t's not my business what you do. As long as it doesn't hurt/affect anyone, go ahead.
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I don’t remember whether it was some news article or a discussion thread. But other people also suggested this might help during therapy and/or rehab. And they had the same argument in that nobody gets harmed in creating these.
As for uses outside of controlled therapy, I’d be afraid it might make people want the “real thing” at some point. And, as others already pointed out: Good luck proving to your local police that those photos on your laptop are all “fake”.
It fetishes the subject's images, and nobody knows if it would lead to recivitism in child predators. It is generally accepted that producing drawings of CP alone is bad, let alone by AI. I remember some dude getting arrested at the Canadian border for sexual drawings of Bart and Lisa. Regardless, I would say that it is quite controversial and probably not what you'd want your company to be known for ...
Japan has a vibrant drawn cp market yet they not not even close to the highest rate of child abuse. https://undispatch.com/here-is-how-every-country-ranks-on-child-safety/
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