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Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.

The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.

But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 2 months ago (3 children)

„It’s not holocaust when brown people are dying”

~white people

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 months ago (3 children)

How can Germany "deport" an EU citizen? Is there any way for them to block an EU citizen from coming back into Germany?

[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It can't, municipalities and states can, and the EU law allowing for this requires showing they're a threat to public safety (which is why it's not a federal matter the federation doesn't do public safety). The Berlin state government wants to expel some people, so far no other state has made similar moves, and it's very questionable whether Berlin courts will let them do it. And then there's federal courts. And then the ECJ.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

How can Germany “deport” an EU citizen?

Have a half-dozen men with guns grab the person, shove them into the back of a squad car, drive them to a jail, make them wait in the jail until transport can be arranged, drag them to a plane, force them onto the plane, fly the plane to an Israeli-occupied territory, kick the person out of the plane into the hands of some genocidal Israeli lunatics, and leave.

Is there any way for them to block an EU citizen from coming back into Germany?

Tear up their travel documents, for starters. Sending them to a country where they are at extreme risk of permanent arrest, torture, and execution also works.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ok so just like in America

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's the craziest thing. EU citizenship means you have freedom to be in any EU country. There is no "deporting" a citizen of the EU if you're a country in the EU.

Yet here we are...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

Yeah that is why "deportation" is the wrong word being used... It is an "opinion" piece from one Berlin based journalist, that obviously lacks some legal details or is trying to use a catchy headline. I especially like it when the article says the used "objects that could have been used as potential weapons". It was fucking AXES they used and obviously the Uni employees were horrified when it happened. Not saying that is right to restrict EU citizens movement in such cases. I'd prefer a proper trial before that happens but they certainly didn't behave very well.

In case of the US citizen I guess you could call it a deportation/expulsion.

Some translated legal background for you guys: Strictly speaking, in the case of EU citizens, this is not referred to as expulsion/deportation, but as loss of freedom of movement. ‘EU citizens entitled to freedom of movement can lose their right of residence for reasons of public order, security or health,’ according to the website of the Federal Ministry of the Interior.

Particularly stringent conditions apply to the loss of residence on grounds of public order or security. ‘There must be an actual and sufficiently serious threat to public order or security that affects a fundamental interest of society. This threat must be based on the personal behaviour of the EU citizen,’ writes the Federal Ministry of the Interior on its website.

People who do not come from the EU are referred to as deportees. This is the case here for one person. If a person from a third country jeopardises public safety and order, the free democratic basic order or other significant public interests through their stay, they can be expelled.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Germany is always on the wrong side of history.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Let's hope they go 0-3

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It really blows my mind. Masha Gessen, Nancy Fraser, Yuval Abraham, Omri Boehm, and also others not mentioned in the article. Who the fuck gave Germany the right to decide who is a good pro-Israel Jew and who is a bad anti-Israel Jew? Germany of all countries, being in the business of labelling Jewish people as acceptable and unacceptable. The fucking nerve on these people.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Germany… forever pro-genocide cvnts

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Name a more dynamic duo: German 🤝 being on the wrong side of history

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Bro defends a terrorist organisation that wants to eradicate an entire religion and thinks he's on the right side.

I fucking can't lmao.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (6 children)

What the actual fuck is going on with humanity?

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Germans never stopped being nazis. They just laid low until they found a new acceptable target.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Much of the mentality that enabled nazi Germany stayed. I'm half romanian, half german. I'm also part jewish. My ancestors died in the Holocaust. The German love for law and order scares me. They're overly obedient. Rarely walk out of line on serious matters. Mark my words, but someday the AfD will come to power, and they'll make use of all the tools the liberals implemented for them (suppressing protests, deporting people, cutting funding, and so on) and no one will bat an eye. Because a law is a law and therefore it is to be followed. Hopefully I'll manage to be far away by that time.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Careful, your ignorance is leaking.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Explain to me how deporting people for protesting against genocide is a thing decent people do.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I was responding to your original premise, that "Germans never stopped being Nazis" - and you know it. Don't try to feign outrage at being called out for condemning an entire country's people ("Germans") for the actions of a few (The Berlin Senate Administration.)

Do better, and perhaps people will earnestly engage with you for the better instead of just getting upset with you.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I was responding to your original premise, that “Germans never stopped being Nazis” - and you know it.

Germany's post-World War II government was riddled with former Nazis

For a more than 20 years fter World War II, nearly 100 former members of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party held high-ranking positions in the West German Justice Ministry, according to a German government report.

From 1949 to 1973, 90 of the 170 leading lawyers and judges in the then-West German Justice Ministry had been members of the Nazi Party.

Of those 90 officials, 34 had been members of the Sturmabteilung (SA), Nazi Party paramilitaries who aided Hitler's rise and took part in Kristallnacht, a night of violence that is believed to have left 91 Jewish people dead.

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The prevalence of former Nazi officials in the ministry allowed them to shield one another from post-war justice and to carry over some Nazi policies, like discrimination against gays, into the West German government.

One lawyer who helped craft discriminatory laws barring marriages between Jews and non-Jews during the Nazi regime held a top family-law position in the post-World War II Justice Ministry, according to The Local.

"The Nazi-era lawyers went on to cover up old injustice rather than to uncover it and thereby created new injustice," said Heiko Maas, Germany's justice minister who presented the report Monday, according to AFP.

The infiltration of the post-war West German government by former Nazis was not limited to the Justice Ministry. A report released late last year found that between 1949 and 1970, 54% of Interior Ministry staffers were former Nazi Party members, and that 8% of them had served in the Nazi Interior Ministry, which at one point was run by SS chief Heinrich Himmler.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

I'm EU citizen, I go into Germany if I so please. I'll do it and I'll do it again.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Nope...I can only handle one Western country going down the batshit stupidity rabbit hole at a time.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Where are all the people cheering up for germany government preparing for war?

https://lemmy.world/post/27602242

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Because the Russian Federation is a belligerent nation undermining EU institutions^1^, carrying out acts of sabotage on EU soil^2^, threatening nuclear war regularly^3^, threatening to reconquer EU member states^4^, and conducting genocide in Ukraine^5^.

And that is not to mention that actions taken by Kremlin assets in the US and Hungary.

1: https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/01/27/russia-putin-disinformation-hybrid-warfare-europe/

2: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-europe-hybrid-campaign-d61887dd3ec6151adf354c5bd3e6273e

3: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/europe/putin-nuclear-warns-west-missile-strikes-ukraine-intl-latam/index.html

4: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-zaporozhzhia-nato-invade-balitsky-1832236

5: https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/03/1161281

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