If you're trying to get lung cancer .... get lung cancer with style
If you are going to get cancer, at least look cool.
- The French
Cigarettes look so uncool, though. Hardly a step up from vapes and they fuckin stiiiinnnnk.
I would much rather be near someone vaping their blueberry muffin raztastic whatever than a lit cigarette
This. I smoked cigs for such a long time, now on vape. It's 100% better. You feel better, your teeth are better, list goes on. Sure it's not the best, we all should quit smoking. But it's better than nasty ass cigs that stay on your clothes, car, makes your teeth yellow and the list goes on.
There is nothing better than a cig, a glass of whiskey, in a hot tub naked on a cold day. But I don't want that everyday.
Lung cancer or mystery disease/popcorn lung. You choose
Don't laugh .... my wife has pulmonary fibrosis ... it's basically a mysterious inflammation of the lungs with your immune system running haywire. No one knows what causes it or what triggered it ... all we know is that it is happening. They suspect it was originally a virus of some kind (this all started about three / four years before the pandemic). There is no cure, there is no remedy, there is no healing, there is no recovery. It only grows worse with time, spreads through the lungs and drowns you to death as you run out of healthy lung to breathe.
Take care of your lungs everyone.
I'm sorry man that sounds horrible. I hope for some kind of innovation in this field for your wife
Sadly no ..... it's an immune dysfunctional disease ... basically a broken immune system that is destroying itself from the inside. It's a very complex thing to try to figure out. The more we studied it and read about it, the more we began to realize that we are all just living with a very delicate machine inside our bodies ... the wrong thing, at the wrong time, in the wrong place, in the right circumstances will trigger your lungs to react and never stop. It can be caused by a fungus, virus, bacteria, dust, pollen, chemicals, particles, whatever. It's the main reason why we should be careful about what we breathe in, that we shouldn't smoke and wear masks in industrial, farming, construction, agriculture, commercial kitchens, etc.
It's like driving around everywhere with a glass ball that you should never break. The glass ball is pretty durable and tough and takes a bit of a beating but if you ever come across something that will break or crack it ... you will never be able to get it back to what it was.
Nobody has gotten popcorn lung from vaping
Vaping isn't carcinogenic.
Vaping is less carcinogenic than smoking by a significant degree but it is carcinogenic
Acrolein, a carcinogen, forms in small amounts from the breakdown of glycerin during heating
If a “dry hit” occurs the effect is worsened, acrolein forms in higher amounts, and formaldehyde (another carcinogen) can occur from the breakdown of both glycerin and propylene glycol
Vaping still leads to inflammation and oxidative stress in the lungs and long term use will almost certainly lead to irreversible damage
Harm reduction is important. Vaping is likely better than smoking but it is not yet clear whether that is the case. It is likely the case based on short term anecdotal data from people who have switched but this does not mean that long term use won’t create more severe lung issues over a period of 20-30 years. We don’t know.
In the meantime for further harm reduction to reduce risk you can vape with low temperatures as this mitigates much of the carcinogen risk, you can use reusable devices and frequently change coils and ensure the coil is saturated, and you can use a liquid that is free of flavorings as these present much of the “unknown” variables.
Or you can work to quit. It is challenging. I smoked and vaped, I know it is tremendously hard. But frankly these companies don’t deserve your money. They’re all fucking scumbags
Oh yeah, even higher chance of cancer, what's not to love
certainly not the disgusting smell that's for sure
I'm 45+ and French. This seems very misleading as smoking has been declining a lot the past couple decades.
Did it actually? I remember going to france like twice a year like 30 years ago. And my observation was just: everyone smokes.
When the indoor smoking ban started, i felt like people stopped. Same as over here. But now i feel like at least as many people atarted smoking again. But i haven't really been in france again in the last 10 years.
Between 2000 and 2019 the number of cigarettes sold in France has halved.
Or just stop smoking?
Not an option in France
Hey look it's a person who's never been addicted to anything
I was recently in Europe. It's not even about health. Guys, stop it, you smell like shit.
Ah yes Europe, the mythical country.
Europe is a geological region where most countries share a lot of cultural ties with each other, including the smoking culture.
What the fuck is this comment section even? Is vape vs cig the new Star Trek vs Star Wars, where fans of either side congregate to tear into each other with enough vitriol to make both vape and cig look healthy in comparison?
Each new import batch from Reddit these days is lower quality :)
reject modernity, embrace tradition
In my anecdotal experience, French people vape a shitload.
I had French coworkers who vaped nonstop in the Paris office. You could hear the click of the heating element every few minutes. I've also seen old French ladies ripping from huge tricked out vapes.
The idea of elegant old French women doing sick vape tricks is just...really something.
Asshole, don't make me smell your shitty tobacco, Atleast vapes conceal the smell
Vapers minding their own business, pretending vaping is healthier.
Pretending? I'm not gonna say vaping is healthy, but it definitely isn't as bad for you as cigarettes. I made the switch years ago just because I wanted to see if I could stop smoking cigarettes, and within the first week or two my lungs felt noticeably better. I've been gradually lowering the nicotine level in the juices I use and will hopefully ween myself off vaping too.
I had the same journey and now have been smoke/vape free for 2 years.
Compared to smoking? Probably.
i don't think highly of people who smoke but I think much less of people who think it's cool. at least if you're embarrassed and apologetic about it I will still consider you a person.
Funny considering tobacco is a solid American good
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