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[–] [email protected] 159 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If you're trying to get lung cancer .... get lung cancer with style

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you are going to get cancer, at least look cool.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Cigarettes look so uncool, though. Hardly a step up from vapes and they fuckin stiiiinnnnk.

I would much rather be near someone vaping their blueberry muffin raztastic whatever than a lit cigarette

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

This. I smoked cigs for such a long time, now on vape. It's 100% better. You feel better, your teeth are better, list goes on. Sure it's not the best, we all should quit smoking. But it's better than nasty ass cigs that stay on your clothes, car, makes your teeth yellow and the list goes on.

There is nothing better than a cig, a glass of whiskey, in a hot tub naked on a cold day. But I don't want that everyday.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Lung cancer or mystery disease/popcorn lung. You choose

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Don't laugh .... my wife has pulmonary fibrosis ... it's basically a mysterious inflammation of the lungs with your immune system running haywire. No one knows what causes it or what triggered it ... all we know is that it is happening. They suspect it was originally a virus of some kind (this all started about three / four years before the pandemic). There is no cure, there is no remedy, there is no healing, there is no recovery. It only grows worse with time, spreads through the lungs and drowns you to death as you run out of healthy lung to breathe.

Take care of your lungs everyone.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm sorry man that sounds horrible. I hope for some kind of innovation in this field for your wife

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Sadly no ..... it's an immune dysfunctional disease ... basically a broken immune system that is destroying itself from the inside. It's a very complex thing to try to figure out. The more we studied it and read about it, the more we began to realize that we are all just living with a very delicate machine inside our bodies ... the wrong thing, at the wrong time, in the wrong place, in the right circumstances will trigger your lungs to react and never stop. It can be caused by a fungus, virus, bacteria, dust, pollen, chemicals, particles, whatever. It's the main reason why we should be careful about what we breathe in, that we shouldn't smoke and wear masks in industrial, farming, construction, agriculture, commercial kitchens, etc.

It's like driving around everywhere with a glass ball that you should never break. The glass ball is pretty durable and tough and takes a bit of a beating but if you ever come across something that will break or crack it ... you will never be able to get it back to what it was.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nobody has gotten popcorn lung from vaping

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Vaping isn't carcinogenic.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Vaping is less carcinogenic than smoking by a significant degree but it is carcinogenic

Acrolein, a carcinogen, forms in small amounts from the breakdown of glycerin during heating

If a “dry hit” occurs the effect is worsened, acrolein forms in higher amounts, and formaldehyde (another carcinogen) can occur from the breakdown of both glycerin and propylene glycol

Vaping still leads to inflammation and oxidative stress in the lungs and long term use will almost certainly lead to irreversible damage

Harm reduction is important. Vaping is likely better than smoking but it is not yet clear whether that is the case. It is likely the case based on short term anecdotal data from people who have switched but this does not mean that long term use won’t create more severe lung issues over a period of 20-30 years. We don’t know.

In the meantime for further harm reduction to reduce risk you can vape with low temperatures as this mitigates much of the carcinogen risk, you can use reusable devices and frequently change coils and ensure the coil is saturated, and you can use a liquid that is free of flavorings as these present much of the “unknown” variables.

Or you can work to quit. It is challenging. I smoked and vaped, I know it is tremendously hard. But frankly these companies don’t deserve your money. They’re all fucking scumbags

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

We don't know for sure yet.

For example here is a study seemingly published by the department of subdomains and acronyms: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11773639/

RESULTS

We included 39 studies in the main analysis and 12 in the subgroup analysis. Of these, 2 were longitudinal observational studies, 9 were cross-sectional studies, 1 case report and 27 were cell/in vitro and animal studies. All human studies were conducted in adults, and about half of them had a low risk of bias. No significant incident or prevalent risk of lung cancer or other types of cancer was found in the never smoker current vapers population. However, there was substantial biomarker-based evidence of a significant association between e-cigarette exposure and oxidative stress, cellular apoptosis, DNA damage, genotoxicity, and tumor growth, particularly following acute exposure. We did not find any age or sex-based differences in cancer risk, and findings on race and education-based differences were insufficient.

CONCLUSIONS

There is substantial evidence that e-cigarette exposure is associated with biomarkers reflective of cancer disease risk. However, the overall evidence on cancer risk is still limited and should be further investigated by future research, particularly rigorously designed clinical trials and population-based research.

Either way, purposefully inhaling toxic chemicals is pretty stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Oh yeah, even higher chance of cancer, what's not to love

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I'm 45+ and French. This seems very misleading as smoking has been declining a lot the past couple decades.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Not an option in France

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Hey look it's a person who's never been addicted to anything

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I was recently in Europe. It's not even about health. Guys, stop it, you smell like shit.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (29 children)

Ah yes Europe, the mythical country.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Europe is a geological region where most countries share a lot of cultural ties with each other, including the smoking culture.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (8 children)

What the fuck is this comment section even? Is vape vs cig the new Star Trek vs Star Wars, where fans of either side congregate to tear into each other with enough vitriol to make both vape and cig look healthy in comparison?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Each new import batch from Reddit these days is lower quality :)

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

reject modernity, embrace tradition

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In my anecdotal experience, French people vape a shitload.

I had French coworkers who vaped nonstop in the Paris office. You could hear the click of the heating element every few minutes. I've also seen old French ladies ripping from huge tricked out vapes.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

The idea of elegant old French women doing sick vape tricks is just...really something.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Asshole, don't make me smell your shitty tobacco, Atleast vapes conceal the smell

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Vapers minding their own business, pretending vaping is healthier.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Pretending? I'm not gonna say vaping is healthy, but it definitely isn't as bad for you as cigarettes. I made the switch years ago just because I wanted to see if I could stop smoking cigarettes, and within the first week or two my lungs felt noticeably better. I've been gradually lowering the nicotine level in the juices I use and will hopefully ween myself off vaping too.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I had the same journey and now have been smoke/vape free for 2 years.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Compared to smoking? Probably.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If they used adult diapers instead of toilets in France would you suddenly think it was sophisticated to make us all smell your shitty diaper? So now the rest of us get to choke on your poisonous smoke while you kill yourself slowly. Vaping is just as stupid as smoking but vaping doesn't force non-smokers to have to smell your nastiness. If you smoke, please just find a faster way to kill yourself; you stink.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (18 children)

If you smoke, please just find a faster way to kill yourself

I think thats a bit too rough, you need to calm down a little :)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

i don't think highly of people who smoke but I think much less of people who think it's cool. at least if you're embarrassed and apologetic about it I will still consider you a person.

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