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Whoa. That sort of thinking requires nuance. We don’t do that here.

Maybe 50+ years after every palestinian is murdered.

Armenian and Gaza is fully confirmed, but human rights violations of Xinjiang not so much, it's semantics at that much, like calling the modern Turkish state genocidal for destroying the culture of Kurds in northern Syria, when it was not explicitly to destroy the people itself

According to the bill, denial of the Holocaust or other serious international crimes, such as those defined under the statutes of the International Criminal Court, would be punishable by a fine or a prison sentence of up to two years.

banning opinions just drives them underground

which means fewer people will find them and engage with them.

You're going to get more people turning to Nazis if it's just out and about in the open. If YouTube was running ads for nazisim, they'd get converts. If the only nazi stuff you see is scribbled on the bathroom walls, it has less legitimacy and thus fewer converts.

But it's not an opinion. It's a fact. It should be illegal for me to claim I'm disabled when I'm not or that bleach cures autism. Misinformation should be illegal.

Not all opinions have to be around the table to debate. It's a false idea of democracy. Your freedom of opinion has limits and one fundamental is humanity. Denying a crime against humanity isn't an opinion.

Agreed. People imagine the best case scenario for these kinds of bans, like calls to criminalize "misinformation" but what happens when the government is headed by Donald "Fake News" Trump and suddenly what you know to be fact is labelled "misinformation"? People were getting cancelled for speaking out against the invasion of Iraq, now imagine if it became a crime to deny that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

This has nothing to do with opinions and everything to do with facts.

Edit: I see someone made a similar reply at the same times as me. I didn't mean to spam reply the same thing as someone else.

First off, I am a bit torn here, but will take the opposing side for arguments sake.

This is not an opinion. The holocaust happened, that makes it a fact.

I get your point, but should disinformation (as in deliberate misinformation) be allowed? How much harm should we accept from people spreading disinformation before we do something? The harm here being antisemitism.

Antisemitism is growing because people do not differentiate Israel and Jewish people. Many jews report that they do not feel safe in otherwise safe countries.

This is a hard question. Not sure what I think.. Might be side effects that are hard to foresee

According to the bill, denial of the Holocaust or other serious international crimes, such as those defined under the statutes of the International Criminal Court, would be punishable by a fine or a prison sentence of up to two years.

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/26868-finland-moves-to-ban-holocaust-denial-under-new-criminal-law.html

How many have there been? As far as I know it's "The Holocaust".

Germany considers criticising Israel antisemitism.

I don't know if this is really censorship in that way. Like yeah don't hide the genocide, hide the denial, because it doesn't deserve a platform. Holocaust denial has no basis in reality, especially considering it's one of the most well documented genocides of all time.

Don't censor history, teach the children about all the bad shit humans have done.