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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What do you mean by deal?

One interesting thing I came across a while ago was that Jesus healing people was not very sensational at the time, as spiritual healers were not that rare. What blew people's minds about the healing was that he was doing it for free.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I had a class in college about Jesus. It was taught by a Catholic priest.

One thing he said that stuck with me is that people don't see the real miracles.

When they talk about the miracle of the loaves and fish, people talk about how enough food for the multitude was created out of just what a couple people brought for their own lunch. People think the miracle is the creation of food. However this priest pointed out that the real miracle is that people who didn't know anyone else there gave all they had so that others could eat. Everyone shared so that no one went hungry.

Edit: one other thing that he said that stuck with me was, "Jesus Christ, son of Mary and Joe Christ"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That sounds like a cool priest, but unfortunately Catholicism is still against gay marriage, meaning they are still discriminating.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Catholicism across the board isn’t against gay marriage, different people believe different things.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

That's strange, because the old pope was. I thought he was supposed to be the one defining catholicism more than anybody else.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jesus = basically Josh, son of Mary and Joe

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

... Brother of James, father of Tamika, Joshua and James?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

They just seem weird. Walk on water, not really that impressive. We fly through the sky these days I'm sure that might blow away some people who lived in jesus times. Heal the sick, that's like a job you get and I'm sure we pulled many many people back from the brink in our age. Turned water to wine? Feed people? If he was god he had to know these miracles would be kinda lame sauce to people in a few thousand years. Why not like swim in a volcano or lasso the moon?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

How the actual fuck is walking on water not impressive? I’m not a Christian, I don’t necessarily believe it happened, but yeah, that would probably blow some people’s minds.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The point is that they are fucking miracles. It doesn't matter whether they are "impressive" or "lame" when they prove that the natural laws of the Universe do not apply. Whatever the effect of the miracle is less significant than the simple fact of it and what that implies.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Them deal was they fictional.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Remember the prime directive.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

There is no remotely reliable evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed.

Edit:
Funny how some people downvote this, but without providing any reliable evidence.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There is actually a hell of a lot of evidence he did.

You can read a capsule summary with references on Wikipedia, but it is accepted fact among historians - not just religious scholars - that Jesus of Nazareth was born in Judea under King Herod, was baptised by John the Baptist, and was cruxified under the orders of Pontius Pilate.

Here's a fun excerpt: "There are at least fourteen independent sources for the historicity of Jesus from multiple authors within a century of the crucifixion of Jesus such as the letters of Paul (contemporary of Jesus who personally knew eyewitnesses), the gospels, and non-Christian sources such as Josephus (Jewish historian and commander in Galilee) and Tacitus (Roman historian and Senator)."

I'm an atheist, but a historical Jesus almost certainly did exist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

only two key events of the biblical story of Jesus's life are widely accepted as historical, based on the criterion of embarrassment, namely his baptism by John the Baptist and his crucifixion by the order of Pontius Pilate.

Except there is no historical evidence of these events.
The only evidence there is, is that John the Baptist is an actual historical figure, and there exist AFAIK a reference to Pontius Pilate, although his position is unclear. But the events are NOT documented and neither is Jesus.

The historicity of Jesus is a concept driven by Christians that have undertaken the biggest accumulated search in history spanning 1800 years, to document the existence of Jesus, and they have turned op NOTHING!!! Just the Mormon church alone has spend massive amounts of resources on this for more than a century. Obviously the Catholic church is by far in the lead, since they are both the oldest and most wealthy of all.

There are at least fourteen independent sources for the historicity of Jesus from multiple authors

No there are not, not a single one is contemporary, and not a single one is first hand or even has a reliable source. This is required to be considered reliable historical evidence.
It may sound convincing on the surface, until you dig into it, and find out it's all hear say, and it's all created AFTER Christianity became a thing.
Also evidence for the existence of Jesus is just about the most faked historical/archeological thing there is. Because it creates fame like nothing else, and churches are willing to pay enormous sums to get their hand on it.

I’m an atheist, but a historical Jesus almost certainly did exist.

You didn't investigate enough to get past centuries of Christian lies and propaganda.

This is a long piece, but it's easier than doing the research yourself:
https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/did-jesus-exist/

Alternatively you can present me with just 1 piece of reliable evidence for the historicity of Jesus.
But please before you do, check up on the criticism about it first.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Ok but like if I asked why did Gandolf stop to fight the Balrog you'd have no issue answering.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

~~Gandolf~~ Gandalf

No but that's because Lord of the Rings is way more consistent than the Bible is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Did he really do them though? The reason why this is within the scope of belief is the fact that there's no conclusive evidence that removes reasonable doubt by contemporary standards.

Let's say it's all exactly as it says in the four different versions that are somehow considered canon and none of it is a millennia old game of telephone: did he choose to do them? Did his dad force him? Could he maybe not have had free will in this regard? Do we know about all the miracles? Maybe there were more! Would it be fair for us today to judge him based on incomplete records?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He's a fictional character.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jesus absolutely existed, even Atheist or anti-Christian historians don't debate that he was a real person.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jesus was a common name un that time. He was made up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, he wasn't. The Romans executed a Hebrew cult leader for treason/rebellion and it was a big enough deal that Tactitus commented on his followers still being pissy about it decades later.

His deeds were made up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All fictional characters can do miracles?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (13 children)

You can make fun of religion nowadays, sure, very original, or ignore the question and talk about historical accuracy, alright. But if you want an answer what is compelling and mythical about these stories, try not to take them literal. Just like fairytales, they have something psychological about them. E.g. when Jesus made the blind see, this is about depression and how it is cured. Try to cast a friendly eye on the whole topic.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The physical miracle demonstrates his identity and power, but they have a spiritual significance beyond the physical. For example, raising the dead indicated that He is the Creator with power over life and death, but also that He can give spiritual life to people dead in their sins.

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