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Unless they're fascists. Because punching nazis is a net positive for the world

I don’t think violently hurting people is a good idea.

A lot of people forget, due to the exceptionally stable nature of modern Western society, that society is built on violence. We, as citizens of a polity, subcontract out our violence to a central state. And this is, to at least some degree, a good thing - there's a central entity which can be observed and judged and regulated, rather than a million people all trying to enforce and judge one another's usage of violence as justified or unjustified.

But ultimately, such subcontracting of violence is conditional - as long as the central state represents our rights adequately, to at least some degree, people are willing to continue to surrender their own sovereign right to commit violence to it. Whenever the central state does not represent a citizen's rights adequately, the citizen often withdraws that surrender of sovereignty - either in total or, more often, conditionally - to protect their own rights.

When you make a contract - even in something as small as buying an apple - you are relying on the threat of force from the state to back it - "We will forcibly remove property or freedom from you if you violate this contract." Violence is a part of everyday life - what's important is to act in such a way that minimizes the need for it. In the case of defense of LGBT rights, sometimes that means using violence as a means of deterrence against the violence of bigots that is insufficiently deterred by state action.

Fascist lives don't matter.

How do you think Pride managed to become a reality? With "thank you" cards?

"Just turn the other cheek, be the bigger person, take the high road, and as long as you give everyone the benefit of the doubt good things will come to you". All phrases used by abusers to manipulate people into taking abuse. After all if you keep being a good person and don't retaliate you will be rewarded with an eternity of paradise and those who hurt will eternally suffer ::snickers with the collection plate::

Yes, it's a shame fascists are so hell bent on doing that to us. But perhaps if they experience consequences, they may elect to do literally anything else with their life than harass queer people.

But I know I'm being too optimistic.

Some fascists would rather die than be better human beings... So it is only generous to oblige them.

I agree, that's why we need to violently harm those who would violently harm us, our loved ones and others like us and our loved ones.

They won't think twice about violently hurting trans folk though so...... Yeah

Totally depends on who you're hurting.

Fascists only know one language, and that is violence. They firmly believe "Might makes right" and so, we must show them strength such that they fear to challenge us ever again.

It is an objectively good thing for the world when a violent bigot gets their head caved in.

Fascists arent people, so i agree.

Or do you mean we should protect fascists? Because no. That is not how we get and keep our rights. We get and keep our rights by negotiating, and political power, un fortunately, is stored in barrels. I think that's how that saying goes.

I understand this statement in principle but unfortunately thats not how the world works. If you tolerate intolerance you will just end up opressed or dead. Fascists don't have any problems hurting and killing whoever they deem not worthy of living, they should be met with the same prejudice.

Nazis arent people

Yeah, you're right. I really wish these fascists would stop trying to hurt people who did nothing to them.

Nah, Nazis don't deserve respect or peace. See the paradox of tolerance.

Tell that to the fascists.

It's rumour that the riot "officially begun" with a brick being thrown too.

Ah, so it's symbolic and artistic. That's cool, I dig the creativity 🙂

Thanks for the explanation.