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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 hours ago

Given how this administration can't cover shit up to save their own asses, and given Trump's very negative perception by the public right now, if there was major evidence of widespread fraud someone would have come forward with it by now. Whether for the fame, the money, the book tours, or the warm fuzzy feeling of watching Trump's lackies go to prison. This was true when swiss-cheese-for-brains made his claims of election fraud in 2020, and it's still true now.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Listen if it’s true, but the democrats are not willing to fight the results, then i don’t care. At that point the cheated election becomes legitimate. And Democratic leaders are on their non intervention kick, probably either because they are complicit, or want to really rub it in to the disenfranchised voters that It voters the blue no matter who, or else it gets the tyrant again.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

There isn't a mechanism to recall the president over votes, and technically we didn't vote for anyone. The electoral college did that.

So for better or worse we are stuck with the current situation until their terms are up and are forced from office, or more direct action is taken.

What I hope happens is that steps are taken to prevent that in the future. As it benefits the party in power, it likely won't be fixed anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Can't you guys do people power? Like what the Philippines did to oust the last dictator?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Sort of, but that requires our congress to get involved. Which currently mostly have a vested interest in not changing anything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

And were probably complicit in being installed by this regime. They will do nothing and allow this to continue because if they keep pulling this off, they can never be voted out.

Edit fuck you autocorrect, were is a word.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If Kamala never conceded we would have something.

Regretfully, Kamala could have had 99.9999% of the votes ... but if she concedes the race to Trump he wins. There may be laws or legislation to punish or impeach Trump and the Republicans, and the government (led by Trump and the Republicans) could choose to pursue them ... I somehow doubt they will.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it works like that. We had a guy in my state who tried to drop out of a race after he was already on the ballot. He told the media he dropped out, didn't want the office, etc. When he won he changed his mind and they swore him in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 minutes ago

It does not legally work like that ... but it does work like that. Conceding is a tradition/courtesy, but it would be seen as an admission of losing by Republicans.

The Republicans took office. They would be the ones to take any action against Trump and Musk for cheating.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago

How are we still in denial? Do we not see what our countrymen have become?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

The Republicans cheated blatantly

Ignoring everything they probably did to voting machines that is currently being discussed in courts, we know for a fact that hundreds of democratic voting centers were called with bomb threats.

Current voting fraud court case https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391

Report of known election interference from 2024 https://www.cip.uw.edu/2024/11/05/election-day-bomb-threats-tabulator-irregularities/

That alone probably fucked with tens to hundreds of thousands of votes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

ITT: ChatGPT tells us only Republicans are allowed to question the legitimacy of elections

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

Everyone's allowed to question the legitimacy. After 60 completed cases or so, let's reconvene.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

that makes it even more enjoyable.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some academic researchers told Kamala ahead of time and she ignored it and did no investigations after. This alone says a lot.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Too busy blaming the leftists for not liking genocide

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago

Enough of that. Let's get back to the real business... Fundraising!

[–] [email protected] 131 points 1 day ago (26 children)

Reads like conspiracy nonsense. Bring receipts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'm with you man. I mean something weird is up with Rockland County for sure, there is some fraud happening. And not saying that this method is not plausible but it's a theory at best and yeah article reads like some pepe sylvia conspiracy. We need legit cybersecurity specialist to do some forensics on the Rockland machines before we can get a root cause and analyze potential impact.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, there could well be some shenanigans, but as you say we need actual experts doing actual analysis. Spreading wild conspiracy theories does nothing to help anyone.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Did you read the article? Relevant section below:

“Let’s be clear, Palantir wasn’t brought in for customer service. It was brought in to do what it does best: manage, shape, and secure vast streams of data—quietly. According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include: AI-driven oversight of connected infrastructures Automated analysis of large datasets And—most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints”

The Digital Janitor:also known as forensic sanitization, it was now being embedded into Eaton-managed hardware connected directly to voting systems. Palantir didn’t change the votes. It helped ensure you’d never prove it if someone else did.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Right, do you see how this reads like conspiracy nonsense.

We make a claim, claim inherently says there's no way to prove it, so just trust us.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

The article fails to explain how the UPS was connected to the server, or if they were at all. Most use USB and there is no indication that even if some elaborate thing to connect to a battery backup over starlink was used, you still have to break out of the HID in Windows, gain kernel level access, then modify machines, some of which are airgapped, and the databases in a way that not only hides external reporting as they alleged with Palantir, but also removes any records of the database transactions being modified. Maybe you could have a USBHID zero day that lets the battery backup escape mitigations built in like Data Execution Prevention in Windows, then you have a second zero day that lets you modify SQLite where the tabulations were kept, and somehow all of this was coordinated remotely. Who knows, maybe the battery backups have a network connection on them meant to prevent electrical surges, and can operate as a man in the middle for any network traffic passing to the internet or other local servers. Even better, they were able to connect to a Tripp Lite device over StarLink, which acted as a man in the middle attack while protecting the network connection from a power surge, and then this was used to interface with the Intel Management Engine or another BIOS level attack, and they got in that way.

So many options, and people can speculate all day. Proof is necessary and the voting machines and Tripp Lite devices are all still available to be audited. It's important to remember that there are powerful forces inside the U.S. and other countries that want to move people away from Democracy and voting. The best way to do this is to have a repeat of the election denial from the right to now be on the left. If that becomes standard behavior then it's game over for Democracy in the U.S.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Ahh, I see an even shorter quote is required to assist in reading comprehension.

“ According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include… most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints””

Again, and I cannot stress this enough, that is from their own press release.

So you say “where are the receipts?”. And their press release explicitly says “we are bringing in this company to erase receipts”. To which you respond “where are the receipts”.

To echo your statement, do you see how this might appear as willful misunderstanding to an outside observer?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Capability of doing something isn't proof of doing something.

I'm on team "something's fucky" but it's still not proof.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

In referring to my above comments, you’ll note I never said they did do something, only that IF they did do it, they had the capabilities in place to do so without leaving a trace.

My issue is only with the top commenters phrase “bring receipts”.

The article author address this pretty thoroughly in why that’s not possible, referencing publicly available information.

The top commenter seemed to deliberately disregard that point

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Are you referring to the press release linked in the article, because it doesn't actually say those things.

Focussing further is just about the worst thing you can do - "secure erasure of digital footprints" is there a definition of what this is anywhere? Is there anything that suggests they were doing that on voting machines? Companies absolutely have a requirement to remove customer data on request in many jurisdictions - that would absolutely be covered by that statement. You're take a very narrow statement (which, again, doesn't appear to be in the linked press release) and blowing it up to meet the definition you want it to.

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