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She Won. They Didn't Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election.
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this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2025
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Reads like conspiracy nonsense. Bring receipts.
I'm with you man. I mean something weird is up with Rockland County for sure, there is some fraud happening. And not saying that this method is not plausible but it's a theory at best and yeah article reads like some pepe sylvia conspiracy. We need legit cybersecurity specialist to do some forensics on the Rockland machines before we can get a root cause and analyze potential impact.
Yeah, there could well be some shenanigans, but as you say we need actual experts doing actual analysis. Spreading wild conspiracy theories does nothing to help anyone.
Did you read the article? Relevant section below:
“Let’s be clear, Palantir wasn’t brought in for customer service. It was brought in to do what it does best: manage, shape, and secure vast streams of data—quietly. According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include: AI-driven oversight of connected infrastructures Automated analysis of large datasets And—most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints”
The Digital Janitor:also known as forensic sanitization, it was now being embedded into Eaton-managed hardware connected directly to voting systems. Palantir didn’t change the votes. It helped ensure you’d never prove it if someone else did.”
Right, do you see how this reads like conspiracy nonsense.
We make a claim, claim inherently says there's no way to prove it, so just trust us.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
The article fails to explain how the UPS was connected to the server, or if they were at all. Most use USB and there is no indication that even if some elaborate thing to connect to a battery backup over starlink was used, you still have to break out of the HID in Windows, gain kernel level access, then modify machines, some of which are airgapped, and the databases in a way that not only hides external reporting as they alleged with Palantir, but also removes any records of the database transactions being modified. Maybe you could have a USBHID zero day that lets the battery backup escape mitigations built in like Data Execution Prevention in Windows, then you have a second zero day that lets you modify SQLite where the tabulations were kept, and somehow all of this was coordinated remotely. Who knows, maybe the battery backups have a network connection on them meant to prevent electrical surges, and can operate as a man in the middle for any network traffic passing to the internet or other local servers. Even better, they were able to connect to a Tripp Lite device over StarLink, which acted as a man in the middle attack while protecting the network connection from a power surge, and then this was used to interface with the Intel Management Engine or another BIOS level attack, and they got in that way.
So many options, and people can speculate all day. Proof is necessary and the voting machines and Tripp Lite devices are all still available to be audited. It's important to remember that there are powerful forces inside the U.S. and other countries that want to move people away from Democracy and voting. The best way to do this is to have a repeat of the election denial from the right to now be on the left. If that becomes standard behavior then it's game over for Democracy in the U.S.
Ahh, I see an even shorter quote is required to assist in reading comprehension.
“ According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include… most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints””
Again, and I cannot stress this enough, that is from their own press release.
So you say “where are the receipts?”. And their press release explicitly says “we are bringing in this company to erase receipts”. To which you respond “where are the receipts”.
To echo your statement, do you see how this might appear as willful misunderstanding to an outside observer?
Capability of doing something isn't proof of doing something.
I'm on team "something's fucky" but it's still not proof.
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In referring to my above comments, you’ll note I never said they did do something, only that IF they did do it, they had the capabilities in place to do so without leaving a trace.
My issue is only with the top commenters phrase “bring receipts”.
The article author address this pretty thoroughly in why that’s not possible, referencing publicly available information.
The top commenter seemed to deliberately disregard that point
Are you referring to the press release linked in the article, because it doesn't actually say those things.
Focussing further is just about the worst thing you can do - "secure erasure of digital footprints" is there a definition of what this is anywhere? Is there anything that suggests they were doing that on voting machines? Companies absolutely have a requirement to remove customer data on request in many jurisdictions - that would absolutely be covered by that statement. You're take a very narrow statement (which, again, doesn't appear to be in the linked press release) and blowing it up to meet the definition you want it to.
Seriously. I’ve had discussions with people since the election about how they say it was stolen. Until there’s hard receipts, then it’s not even worth the time considering it to me.
https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/the-people-and-groups-who-tried-to-disenfranchise-voters-in-2024/
At the very least they intentionally weaponized voting laws to get people kicked off the voting pool resulting it likely uncounted ballots.
I mean that's the issue, that's also why this case that's going on is so huge. There's so many statistical anomalies that it's nearly impossible that he won every battleground state.....but there's been no smoking gun. There's never been solid enough evidence to warrant a court case. Hopefully we get the 'hard receipts' your looking for in this court case
Also, it’s kinda fucking hard to get the receipts when a bunch of election officials were very possibly in on it. And the secretaries of state for said swing states might not be doing everything on the up-and-up (see: literally everything about how Brian Kemp - the current Governor of Georgia - orchestrated his own election).
Also can we talk about how data even comes to be? Who tf is paying for all these “hard receipts”? Who’s doing the work, who’s analyzing it, who has the access to everything needed to even do the work? The information is obviously being obfuscated and destroyed, like people asking for “hard receipts” think US fascism actually keeps their receipts when no fascist government has ever allowed contradictory information to spread or even exist? People seem to both love data and refuse to accept it’s so easily hidden, destroyed and changed in such an opaque environment. The only time “hard receipts” ever exist is in a completely transparent and forthcoming environment. Honestly most of what we all believe has no “hard receipts” they’re just accepted because it looks and feels right and we have some “soft receipts” to prove to others our feelings are more feelings than theirs
Control over media is a tenant of fascism
The US regime has had control over any media of importance for decades.
The statistical anomalies are made up. They sound excellent plausible, but turn go and verify any of the actual numbers. Swing states really weren't any different from other states. They're not real discrepancies.
You act like it's easy. Republican states shred their data before turning it over (like what happened in Georgia a few years back over one of the state races. It's a cyclical issue. You can't look at the data if you don't have the evidence to warrant looking at it, and you can't get the evidence if you can't look at the data.
But no....the anomalies aren't made up. You just haven't been paying attention to what's been going on with it, and that's okay, it's a lot to keep up with.
Or it's a conspiracy theory meant to distract us. I haven't seen anything credible.
I especially don't want to call wolf now when it may very well happen soon.
How do you propose getting those "receipts"?
We don't, that's not our job. You don't just believe everything because it's hard to prove the opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_hwFSEdPs
Use your words. I've no time to follow a random YouTube link with absolutely no preamble or information.
That would be a 3s clip of freeza asking goku if he's real in dbza
I see. Well thank you for describing it then.
If you believe some guy with a blog making claims of what would be bombshell news maybe he should provide it.
That would be awesome. But no. There are two ways to get the evidence here. Court orders and an investigation by not the FBI or hacking and hardcore investigative journalism. Hacking Eaton is by far the lowest hanging fruit so there's the real takeaway
That sounds like a lot of trouble.
I'm not American so for me it doesn't make a difference if there's a fascist or a fascist-lite in charge.
Whoever is in charge their foreign policy never changes.
Actually I like the current one better with all the dammage he does to the US. It is a win for the world pragmatically.
And even then, I'm not sure what it would accomplish. You're not going to undo Trump's inauguration. At best, it could protect the integrity of the next election, but now there are other options available to undermine it.
Meanwhile, elections since then have swung hard against Trump supporters, including one in Wisconsin where Elon dumped a small fortune and made a personal appearance. If they're so good at rigging machines, why aren't they continuing to use this ability?
I'm skeptical of this claim of election fuckery but, if it was true, you'd want to limit the use as to not get caught.
Here ya go.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
https://youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs
https://youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link
Clicked on the last link
It's selling merch.
I'm out.
The first link is about voter suppression, nothing to do with the conspiracy.
Yes. That link is worthy of separate consideration, but has nothing to do with voting machines.