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And no, I'm not talking about pirating on the internet, I'm talking about getting your internet connection to the outside world without paying or having a subscription or license. Something like a mesh network with your neighbors with the exit node being one person's high-speed fiber line, or even an exit node through a free public wifi network that you've hidden a little repeater device within range of... something like that could be interesting. I've been thinking lately of a world where decentralized networks become more common, and where people can freely use the internet without paying an ISP. What are your thoughts?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When I was in college, I rented a house just outside my budget and found I couldn't afford things like cable internet.

I had a wifi->ethernet bridge that was originally to connect my OG Xbox to a wifi network. I also had neighbors with Wifi using WEP encryption. An idea was born.

Was able to use aircrack-ng on my laptop to crack their WEP key in about 15 minutes. Plugged that key into my wifi->ethernet bridge, and then hooked that into my router. Bam, my whole house was online.

That worked for probably a year and a half.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Does aircrack ng still work?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

AFAIK, yes. Though I haven't tried it with WPA3.

While WEP is dead, you can still use it to capture the WPA/2 handshake and run it through something like John the Ripper to try to recover the passphrase.

Admittedly, I haven't messed with it in years.

Either way, you still need a wireless adapter that's capable of promiscuous mode as well as a driver for it that supports packet injection (not sure how rare that is nowadays).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm currently broke enough that I just rely on the public Xfinitywifi signal and a relative's Xfinity login. If I need not-weird-captive-portal-internet for something, I bridge and rebroadcast the Xfinitywifi connection using my laptop.

Not exactly pirating but thought this might be a useful anecdote to share

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I think this fits the definition of pirating as presented in the OP.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Not recently, but I had bought a USB GPS unit for my laptop back in the mid 2000's specifically for war-driving, mapping, and cracking the weak-ass encryption of early Wifi routers to share with a community of travelers when free wifi hotspots weren't really a thing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

I'm sharing an internet connection with my neighbors for these reasons. In germany, we have "freifunk" which is just what you're explaining I think. I would definitely love to maximize this though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Back when I was housing insecure but still had a place of my own to live, I first set up a point-to-point wifi link to some kids across the street to defray my internet expenses - they paid part of my bill instead of having their own internet. That was more than a decade ago and the hardware & software weren't so reliable. When the arrangement fell apart and I no longer could pay the bill, I cracked the network of some neighbors in my building and used the same antenna to provide internet for myself and 3 others in my house for about a year. The neighbors were a nice young couple so I did my best to be decent about it - set up an always-on permanent VPN and used flow control to limit our max throughput.

It's still possible to do this, and I'm still broke, so after a few years not needing to do any such thing, I cracked a network to have internet during a housesitting gig (house did not have internet).

Edit: get WiFi 6 or better gear for this. Trust me, the improvement in performance in marginal situations is well worth it. WiFi 6 was a big improvement over WiFi 5, which was a big improvement over WiFi 4, when it comes to staying connected and getting data across a dodgy link. I haven't done much straight up piracy lately but I have done plenty of leeching in parking lots, and WiFi 6 gear is absolutely worth the money.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Kind of I guess. Didn't have home internet so I would park my car in a home depot parking lot with a laptop torrenting off the public wifi and then walk the rest of the way to work.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

WiFi 6 has made this a lot more viable than it used to be. I've done a fair amount of parking lot leeching and new gear is worth it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Nope, I prefer being able to run my own network router, open/close my own ports, block ads on the network, hopefully get as much bandwidth as I can, etc. so it's usually better for me to subscribe to my own internet.

... But since you bring it up, coincidentally I currently live on a street with shops/restaurants on the main floor under me. And all their wifi networks are visible from my apartment... so technically yeah, if I go through the trouble of collecting all their wifi passwords I could just hang out on their networks for free internet. Internet probably wouldn't be great and not very private without a VPN but for free web browsing it should work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Pirating wifi doesn't preclude any of this. See also the GL.iNet devices, such as the GL-MT3000.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

There are options out there to utilize multiple wifi networks at the same time, you probably wouldn't have what you need to get a fancy 'similar to enterprise level' solution going, but there are a bunch out there with the goal of using multiple networks purely for speed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I may or may not be using P2P devices to share my Internet with all my neighbors.

But I also paid to have the neighborhood wired with fiber for internet.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Not exactly, but when I was in student dorms, the day when the contract ended if you booked for next year you paid basically nothing and got the highest tier of speeds, I assume its a bug in their system or something because its only for that 1 day and they dont advertise it as a special offer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

In my previous home I was possibly using the wifi of my neighbors sometimes. Just for fun. Since they left the default password on it. I could even login into their router once on wifi. And open ports or whatever. That I didn't do.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

About 20 years ago, there was only dial-up internet available in my street. My parents lived about 200 m away from me in another street, and they could get ADSL. So I set up a wireless bridge to them, and it worked surprisingly well after some tweaking. Kept it running for a few years, eventually got my own connection because one day my dad called me because he needed the router password. Turns out he was also sharing the connection with his neighbour who was running an internet radio station.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I built a Pwnagotchi but I haven't cracked any of it's handshakes yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I did some wardriving a long time ago but never used those internet connections. And I shared my connection before and had a Freifunk router. With the neighbours not so much. I'm mostly nice to them and ask before borrowing their stuff.

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