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[–] [email protected] 139 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

American democracy didn’t survive the first month of this year.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago

It's the political version of 'Weekend at Bernie's' .... America killed democracy a long time ago and they've been parading around the dead body for years pretending that everything is OK.

As the years go by it's getting harder and harder to get people to ignore the rotting stinking corpse they keep dressing up in American flags and uniforms.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

American democracy didn't survive the constitution that only allowed rich white males any voice.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 weeks ago

Who says it survived the last war in the middle east?

American democracy is an oxymoron

[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It died on November 5th, 2024. We are just in the embers.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair it had been on life support for decades.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah this is the thing. Trump isn't where things went south, but he sure accelerated it. In a working democracy, he would have been laughed out of the room. But decades of neocon politics have deteriorated the American society so much in so many aspects that he got elected

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

'You mean my inaction at a time when I could have stopped the end of democracy actually ended democracy? Must be bidens fault somehow!' - dumbass American voters

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

We all know that Harris had a path to victory and she didnt take it. I suppose its easier for you to demonize the voters who tried to pressure their party to do what we all know is the right thing than it is to pressure our leaders to run a competent and moral campaign.

So you're just lazy and unable to effect meaningful change, beyond shouting into a void on an anonymous forum, right. I imagine if we all just mute your complaints you'll kick your dog and blame it for the loss, so I guess we'll just wait for you to whine yourself out. I'm not in favor of dog kicking.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, how dare he make a comment on a forum all about making comments.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Non voters made a conscious decision to allow a switch from democracy to authoritarianism and put us on a path to totalitarianism. They are solely responsible and I will never forgive them for this transgression. Not voting was childish.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I see it now-- so if more voters had fewer morals, lower standards, and were more open to manipulation, we'd have better dem leaders doing less awful things. Makes perfect sense. And-- If Harris were in charge today theres no way she'd be supporting this zionist adventure, right? No way. Not a chance.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ah yes... The moral high-ground of...

checks notes

Enabling fascism by helping the guy, who stated that Netanyahu should "finish the job" and publicly discussed turning Gaza into hotels, elected...

If you were any more in denial, you'd be in danger of crocodile attacks.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I suppose its easier for you to demonize the voters who tried to pressure their party to do what we all know is the right thing than it is to pressure our leaders to run a competent and moral campaign.

They may have convinced themselves or others that this is what they did, but it was, in fact nothing of the sort. All that they did was open the door to someone who keeps a book of Hitler speeches on his bedside table. Non-voters are just shy of collaborators and absolute traitors to vulnerable people, as well as humanity at large.

So you're just lazy and unable to effect meaningful change, beyond shouting into a void on an anonymous forum, right.

I've engaged in protest efforts and volunteering to help people in my community, while non-voters only engaged in performative bullshit that objectively made the genocide that they suddenly started caring about worse and put us on a path to losing the last vestiges of democracy, not to mention what appears likely to be WW3.

I imagine if we all just mute your complaints you'll kick your dog and blame it for the loss, so I guess we'll just wait for you to whine yourself out. I'm not in favor of dog kicking.

Wow. You're classy. I hope your animal abuse mention isn't projecting your own real-life behavior onto others.

You know what would actually be a good way to stop me from making statements like my original one? Take some fucking responsibility for the harms that you have voluntarily contributed to and do something - anything - to actually try to meaningfully make the world a better place.

What do you do to help people in your community? Anything at all or, is engagement limited to stroking your ego and defending actions that do nothing to improve the human condition but let you tell yourself that you're better than other people because they don't have as myopic of an understanding of the world as you do?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They may have convinced themselves or others that this is what they did, but it was, in fact nothing of the sort.

Thats not for you to decide or dictate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

First, want to respond to my question? Are you actively doing anything meaningful to help change the world in a positive manner? Or are you just congratulating yourself for playing the electoral equivalent of The Royal Sampler?

Thats not for you to decide or dictate.

Facts are facts, regardless of how you want to feel about them. I don't decide them any more than you do. Objectively, the world, as well as Palestine, is in a worse place than it would have been under Harris.

You chose to throw democracy, neurodivergent people, trans people, people of color, sick people, the people of Palestine, the people of Ukraine, and plenty of others under the bus with your intention choice not to oppose fascism.

You could say that you weren't warned or explicitly told what would happen if you helped a Hitler fanboy get elected but, that would be a lie. If you insist on playing the same game as a Brexiteer, be my guest, but you'll still be called out until you put in the slightest bit of effort to fix the century of progess that you've flushed down the toilet.

The only real question is whether you were a rube or if you were acting maliciously, like the Acolytes of Accelerationism. That's something only you can answer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

They actually made me care LESS about the genocide because it became impossible to have a rational conversation with them about it. I just switched off, or went to a different thread.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which is unfortunately quite poetic. Refusing to vote has ensured they will no longer be able to vote.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 weeks ago

Starting from the premise we have a democracy at this point is flawed.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago

what democracy?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago

American democracy has not survived.

FIFY

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Best outcome would be if Iran and the US took out each other's government, but they always seem weirdly unwilling to go after the leadership if they have an option to kill soldiers and civilians instead, even when it's clearly the leaders who pose a problem.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Have we tried arming insurgents and having them overthrow the Government? Or possibly just a little coup?

Oh. Ok nvm.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

America has ALWAYS been an oligarchy masquerading as a democracy. The mask is dropping further down every day.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

We don't need to imagine. He's doing it right now.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

... we have democracy?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

American democracy won't survive the next flu season. It's pretty fucking fragile.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

American democracy was cooked in 2004 and it’s wild that anyone would pretend otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

In 2000. Al Gore won that election, but Republicans cheated.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Not so fun fact: Even back then, a certain Clarence Thomas was involved in the Supreme Court decision that prevented a recount of votes in Florida (source), which would likely have resulted in Al Gore's election victory. And: Also even back then, this Supreme Justice was associated with a certain billionaire named Harlan Crow who supported him with various favors - he continues to do so to this day.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, that was the shot across the bow, but there was a democratic way forward. When democrats completely folded and then he was reeelected 4 years later after making every wrong decision?

There hasn’t been a nonviolent way out of the US’s far-right problem in 20 years.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

American Democracy is already dead, those stupid red hat fucks helped murder it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

We no longer Have a functioning democracy

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Amerikkka has never been a real democracy. It just somehow keeps getting more dictatorial by the day.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Ah the "The invade your country and then make a movie about how it caused them PTSD" analog.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Surviving implies not yet being dead...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

The other option is that they might survive, I guess. When did pure conjecture replace facts?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

It's ok. It wasn't going to survive a Trump presidency anyway.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Good. Glass it and start afresh. The current us is a disaster.

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