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Six months into con­gestion pricing, more cars are off the road, report says (ny1.com)
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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Others have said it would hurt businesses in the congestion zone. The report, however, says pedestrian activity inside the zone was up 8.4% in May, compared with the same period last year, while outside the zone only saw an increase of 2.7%.

The same can be seen in Paris: Reducing car traffic is good for businesses and shops. The whole discussion on cars in cities reminds the discussion on smoking in public spaces. The only interest group which actually had an advantage from it was the tabacco industry.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

The only thing that bothers me is that it is a regressive tax on the poor. Rich people won't blink at the fee so it only stops poor from driving.

I'd like to think that the money will go to public transportation but history has shown that because money is fungible, the income from the fees will only mean they cut previous infrastructure spending.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's a common misconception about congestion price in NY. The poor wasn't driving to Manhattan in the first place, they represented only 2%, and the money generated by congestion pricing will be reinvested back into public transport.

Climate Town did a great video on this subject, with more details if you are interested:

New York Declares War On Traffic (A Congestion Pricing Story) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DEFBn0r53uQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEFBn0r53uQ

What's really bad for the poor is car centric design, where you are forced to have a car and spend, on average, $12k annually to maintain it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The poor wasn't driving to Manhattan in the first place, they represented only 2%,

Under $1m in NYC is poor. But I should have been more explicit. This is a tax on the masses, not the elite.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes, and often the core area is not affordable on retail, services, or even trade salary so they have to commute in, and the hours may dictate that they can’t take transit; even some large cities have a service pause overnight.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This is another misconception addressed in the Climate Town video on this subject, with more details if you are interested:

New York Declares War On Traffic (A Congestion Pricing Story)
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DEFBn0r53uQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEFBn0r53uQ

They might need to commute in, but they don't have to drive in. The vast majority of people going to Manhattan doesn't drive, they take the subway, buses, trains and bikes. Only 20% of the people traveling through the congestion zone is in a vehicle and only 2% of the poor drove in.

Workers that needed to drive in wasted a lot of their valuable hours stuck in gridlock traffic, burning their own costly gasoline and being prevented from reaching their job site, costing them more than congestion pricing

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

I gotta watch that, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

That’s why I said “often” and “some cities”. It’s not universal. I support congestion pricing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I misread this at cats and I was sultaniously confused and concerned