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edit: seems like some people interpret “full of” as a mathematical majority which, while it may or might not be true instance to instance, isn’t my intent in posting

feel free to swap in “has a lot of” if that’s more familiar language to you :)

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (15 children)

Eh... I live in the cousin-fuckingly-deep South. In a city, and I work in a hospital, so I think it's pretty safe to say this is one of the more left leaning bubbles within a hundred miles. ...and there are still a fuckton of Nazis here.

There are absolutely decent people trapped here, but we're legit outnumbered. It isn't just gerrymandering or some shitty system at fault: the majority of southerners are just fucking evil.

There's always some thinly veiled excuse - "We don't hate women, we just want to protect the babies!" "We don't hate immigrants, we just want to protect our jobs!" "We don't hate trans people, we just want to protect our bathrooms!" but when you hear them talk amongst themselves about those people it's pretty clear they really do just hate them.

Most southerners are sincerely not good people.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There are absolutely decent people trapped here, but we’re legit outnumbered. It isn’t just gerrymandering or some shitty system at fault: the majority of southerners are just fucking evil.

This. I remember moving from a conservative area in a border state, to the South for a short time, and being absolutely floored by the things that were quite openly said and laughed about. And I was no wilting violet, I was already quite used to hearing vile shit.

"Every population is secretly filled with our allies!" is delusional.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

“Exceptions to the rule” were so ingrained in every one when I lived in the south that it was impossible to have a decent conversation about anything.

My gay cousin is fine, but gay people

My best friend from high school, who is black, is fine, but black people are…

My abortion was necessary but abortion at large is wrong…

My trans child needs gender affirming care but…

My Latino workers are upstanding people but Latinos are…

My EBT/Snap benefits are deserved but people on welfare…

My drug use is fine and doesn’t harm anyone but…

I mean, I know this is a general human trait, but it felt almost institutionalized to a point where people could say incredibly horrible shit about people and then deftly sidestep the contradiction when called out. It really did feel like being in a fever dream (and not from the crippling humidity and heat).

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

yep. had a convo with a friend I've known since 2nd grade about why he would vote for a prezzo who vows to ban all muslims (half my family) he had no clear answer just sputtered that he didn't think he'd actually do it. And if he did he'd protest it.

I told him to shove his fake concern up his ass and he blocked me on all media. These people veil their hatred and pretend we can't tell.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It probably sucks being trapped in a red state while having empathy.

Hopefully, enough of them gather and enact tangible change.

Otherwise nothing will change.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

We try. We get shot & forgotten.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

It definitely does suck very incredibly bad. I think there are things non-Southerners can do to help too of course but it’s more indirect.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Since 2013 we’ve seen disenfranchisement in Alabama in real time. Require strict new voter id, then close the DMVs in black and left leaning areas. Combine polling places in democratic leaning areas so they are further away and have long lines. Move polling places so they are no longer accessible by bus. Those are just the obvious ones, but the Republicans’ strategy has been to do anything they can to stop people from voting.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Most folks in the south are good, honest, hard-working people - but the levels of propaganda aimed at keeping them ignorant and blaming minorities for systemic issues are hard to overstate. That coupled with a crumbling education system, poverty, and voter suppression is what keeps the south voting against the best interests of the majority of people.

The average Southern voter is just trying to do the right thing with the information they have access to. Doesn't make them any less wrong, but it does make the situation more morally complex.

It always makes me sad when I see people in Left spaces saying things like "it serves them right" etc etc when disasters occur. Sure, the majority of voters may have voted for policies that caused these things, but they are ignorant and have been lied to their whole lives. Not to mention all the folks who have been disenfranchised by the system.

Edit: for those responding: most. Most people. Like 40% of people don't vote. And another 25+% vote Dem. Of the remaining 30-35% that decide elections for Republicans, most of those are extremely misled, either thinking Dems are to blame for Rep policies that harm them, that Dem policies will make it impossible for them to make a living, etc. etc. A subset of those 30-35% are just outright evil and either want to throw everyone under the bus for a few tax breaks or are just rascists/bigots. But, that is not most people. Note, I don't lime the Democrats, but their policies are significantly less harmful than Rep policies. If you actually talk to people in the South, you would understand that. Some are out-and-out ghouls, but most people are miseducated, poor, and have been told who to blame by the powers that be.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago (2 children)

No. Hard stop NO. Ignorance is no longer an acceptable excuse. They all have access to the same internet as the rest of us and all have the ability to verify the things they see and hear. Most choose not to.

I'll accept gerrymandering and some other hard physical barriers but ignorance and lack of education is no longer acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

They do not have access to the same internet. Just see how Facebook's algorithm decides what to show you based on your IP and usage history and a bajillion other factors. And how Google changes the search results based on IP too. They don't choose not to verify the things they see; those things were presented as the truth to them in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Critical thinking skills are essential for that, and they stopped teaching that a long time ago. It's not enough to have access to information, you have to have the skills to judge and interpret it. This is why misinformation is such a problem, people literally don't have the skills to distinguish between it and actual facts

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Nobody ever taught me that either but I figured it out. I wish this didn't need to be taught at all.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I lived in VA. From 2nd to 9th grade pre-internet. Now VA. Is South but it's not west va., Mississippi, or Tennessee south. Even back then, you could spend an afternoon in a library and alleviate yourself of a lot of bad information unintentionally just by looking up that information. I know because I did. I'd hear grownups around me say sketchy shit and look into it. It's even easier to do so now. Just the act of seeking clarity can bring some small pieces of enlightenment. A lot of people didn't bother then and wouldn't now.

What's happening is post-truth BS. People just choosing to believe whatever the fuck they want, often without any verification.

Are some people being led astray? Absolutely. But they're also allowing themselves to be. People have been trying to convince southerners (and others) for decades, of not a century, that they're being screwed over and the people they vote in are doing the screwing but many just flatly refuse to look into it at all and just keep going on blind faith. What happened to personal responsibility and self-agency? Not to mention that some people are just dumpster fires given human form and those people definitely deserve to reap what they sow.

I don't wish hardship on anyone but if a person continually brings hardship on themselves through their own, thoughts, votes, and actions, while ignoring all the warnings being handed out like candy at Halloween, I don't find it surprising that others feel less inclined to be sympathetic let alone empathetic with their plight.

[–] RedditRefugee69 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It's because most people are intellectually lazy.

It's far easier to believe trusted sources than look things up yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

So what you're saying is they can vote to fuck up the country and suppress other peoples freedoms. They can vote to instill pain fear and chaos in other peoples lives. But when the consequences of their vote bites them in the ass all of a sudden we need to have empathy and grace? Libs like you are why we are in this mess with fascism to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

So? When the Internet exists to easily see the proof of reality, they are not blameless for taking in lies

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I’m with you. I live in a red state in the north, in a small island of blue, but if I drive for a few minutes in any direction it’s trump signs & bigotry.

I feel like I’m surrounded by idiots. They’re bringing my state down with them. It’s horrifying.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Sending love ❤️ I truly hate to see would be-“progressives” laughing at the senseless deaths and violence just because some 30% of them voted a certain way.

It’s one of the ways that capital keeps the culture war lit, I find. Breed hatred and dehumanization for a people group while gleefully stripping that people group from self-determination at every opportunity.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Food for thought. If youre a working adult youve invested in this country. You have every right to expect something in return. Like the expectation that your investment hasn't been squandered for the purpose of evil.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

i thought it was human nature for my paycheck to go to bomb apartment buildings several oceans away while my neighbors die of preventable diseases???? im confused

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You can replace "south" with "US" and it's just as true.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (17 children)

honestly very correct. someone else pointed out that even the worst of us states were only 70/30 maga.

call me a bleeding heart lib but i don’t celebrate the suffering of 10 people just because 7 of them asked for it. 🙃

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ah, if only the MAGAts could read.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's clearly not full of them though. It's full of human scum who do horrible shit on a daily basis and actively harm everyone in the process.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

i think some people interpret “full of” differently and that’s a fair gripe to have with this post

as i said in the body text, feel free to swap in “has a lot of” if that’s more familiar language to you :)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

Do explain how gerrymandering affects the presidential election. All votes are counted for the entire state.

I get that it affects local elections. That is obvious.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (4 children)

That's actually easy.

The shape of the district gets decided based on the concentration of votes for one party. The goal is to make enough districts with enough concentration of your voters that you always win those districts, and make the rest of the state have few enough districts with enough of a mix of of voters for both parties that A) the for-sure districts can't be lost and B) the not-for-sure districts can never oppose the for-sure districts as long as they remain under your party's control.

So all the rigging party needs to do is campaign enough in the for-sure districts that they can't lose, and campaign enough in the not-for-sure districts that their opponent can't win. And then because of the Electoral College, all of the states votes go to the rigged party.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

I feel less sympathetic for many conservative states than this image would encourage, but even though gerrymandering doesn't impact presidential elections directly it does impact state legislatures who then control the rules around presidential elections.
Every vote is counted, which is why there's focus on voter suppression. If your legislature decides to make it harder to vote in liberal or more densely populated areas, voter turnout will naturally skew conservative. Same for shifting requirements to focus on criteria less often met by demographics that don't support you, or changing the criteria for purging the voter registry and making it harder to register.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Gerrymander secretary of state race
Geryrmander governor race
Gerrymander state Senate and house races
Pass disenfranchisement rules and laws
...?
Profit

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kemp

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (23 children)

i guess, but they voted for that too

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