I Tried Proton's Lumo AI, a Private Alternative to ChatGPT (news.itsfoss.com)

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[-] [email protected] 67 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's not local? It's not private. Period. "End-to-End Encrypted" LOL except they're the other "end". That's just HTTPS.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Does Andy the bootlicker think that proton paying customers are idiots?

Asking for a friend

Jfc... Their drive can't compete with Filen. Their VPN can't compete with mullvad at least privacy wise.

Email and calc prolly better than competition.

Bitwarden makes better password manager.

There are a ton of crypto wallets.

Now they add llm with a trust me bro... Their marketing department thinks the users are idiots. All around classic corpo behaviour. Fuck em

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Wild that you have downvotes when you're absolutely 100% correct

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I think people reading just didn’t understand the critique and were like “TOO MANY WORDS Y U SAY IT BAD”

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

On the other hand, Unlimited is 10€ a month, which is OK-ish for the suite if you need most of them.

Mail+password manager+unlimited aliases (simile login) is already 10 when picking other reputable private services (without the limitations of the free tiers). So VPN and drive are "free".

I'm moving away to another service though. I don't care they are in continental Europe, those Trump praises were concerning.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

They do have all around value proposition not going to dispute that but putting all of your eggs in one basket is literally repeating Google/apple mistake.

Never gain, decentralized is the only for me forward.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago

I like how they're doing shit like this and the bitcoin wallet (that last I checked didn't even support lightning) instead of, you know, improving stuff people actually care about.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

Why do all of them fail this question?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

Because LLMs see tokens, not letters or words. It's like showing a human a strawberry and asking them how many atoms it contains.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Sounds like a genuine shortcoming of the technology as it's being ~~presented to~~ forced on the public

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

An LLM also can't bake a cake, decorate a Christmas tree, or bench-press 100kg.

Just understand what LLMs are good at, use them for that, and don't throw your hands up and declare it useless because it can't magically do something it was never designed to do in the first place.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

but it's being sold as if it IS capable of that.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I've never seen anyone advertising an LLM as being good at spelling bees. The only time I ever see this spelling thing come up is when people are making fun of it.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

they’re presented as general knowledge chatbots at the very least, and i know i’d consider spelling pretty general knowledge.

the way i see it you can either acknowledge the “strawberry question” as a genuine failing of most every publicly accessible LLM, or you can acknowledge that LLMs are only ever actually correct by pure chance. sometimes it’s a REALLY GOOD chance, but at the end of the day it’s still always a variable that you can’t actually control.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

You see a false dichotomy.

I see someone pounding away at a ball of yarn with a hammer and complaining that it's not as good a knitting implement as they imagined.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

You have someone complaining about what people selling AI say it can do, when it can't do that. You see people complaining that AI can't do things, when it can do other things.

You need to try and digest what people are saying better rather than just being contrarian.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

in this thread i’ve only seen complaints about the implementation, no one has even implied LLM’s are useless.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

tbh people call them useless all the time but they also cherry pick their weakness.

it is a tool, it has utility. kinda like crypto although grifters seem to always soil promising tech. but in 20 years it will all settle and we will be enslaved, anyways.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So close

Edit': lol

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Looks like Lumo had too much catnip.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

They don't fail it tho?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

It will generate a new answer in every new chat, it has no knowledge of itself. You can also easily manipulate what it answers by framing your question, if you ask 'where is the i in strawberry' or 'why do you spell strawberry with a single i' it will spit out something much more wrong than when you ask it 'is there an i in strawberry'. This is increasingly true for complicated questions like 'i am about to get fired because i don't spell strawberry right, what can i do to perform better at driving a taxi for my employer who is an accountant tied up in a scandal', but because there usually aren't contradictions in a question the AI isn't seen as dumb and unintelligent but as wise and all knowing. But again, it doesn't know anything it just puts words that statistically fit well together next to each other - which can be really useful if you understand its limits.

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