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8GB RAM in M3 MacBook Pro Proves the Bottleneck in Real-World Tests::Apple's new MacBook Pro models are powered by cutting-edge M3 Apple silicon, but the base configuration 14-inch model starting at $1,599...

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[–] [email protected] 254 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The sheer idea of selling a 8gb machine in 2023 is kinda wild

[–] [email protected] 164 points 1 year ago (10 children)

8 gigs of ram for some shitty laptop is fine. Like the air shipping with 8 gigs of ram is fine (not great, but fine)

But for a "Pro" machine, let alone a 1600 dollar computer is insane.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

MacBook Air is a $1000 computer too though :/ I bought a Thinkpad t480s with 8gb of (upgradable) ram for less than that back in 2019. currently running it with 24gb.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My kid grabbed an 8/256 M2 Air when they first launched last year, and is still overjoyed with its performance. He has a PS5 for gaming, so the Mac is for uni work and downloading shit. 8gb RAM isn't inherently bad.

It's just as you said though; it's bad for a "Pro" machine.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been using an 8GB laptop for a few years now and don't feel the need to have more. But if I'm paying that much I'd expect at least 16GB.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

That's my problem with the 8GB. I even have the Air with that much memory. It's fine... but I also got it secondhand. For new, I can't pay that much money for entry level RAM specs.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

My company computer had 4 GBs of RAM... And an HDD with Windows 11, the worst fucking experience.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meanwhile my i7 thinkpad with nvme somehow is not compatible with windows 11.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

No doubt. Even wilder to me is the idea of buying a Mac with 8GB in 2023, speaking as a long time Mac owner. Mine is from several years ago. I wonder if Apple execs ever pull their heads out of their asses. This feels like the late 90s all over again.

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[–] [email protected] 136 points 1 year ago (6 children)

For $1,599 you'd at least expect 16GB+ RAM given how cheap RAM is...

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Apple loves under ramming (to give a word a new meaning) and forcing everyone to pay for upgrades. The problem is there are always people that buy the base.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe we should all start calling it the "MacBook Semi-Pro".

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

8gb ram has been common for over a decade now. It's what I would expect in a sub-$400 laptop.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s hard to take the Mac seriously. This is even more dumbfounding because they have an excellent processor. Then they pair it with anemic RAM and make demonstrably false statements about the system’s performance. I don’t get it.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

soldering in an unusably low amount of memory or storage into the base model is classic bait and switch. they get to advertise a much lower price than what you will end up paying

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

And if people buy the low-end one, they'll feel like they need to upgrade sooner.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Ah it's cool, you can just open the little door in the back and upgrade the RAM anytime you want.

Right??

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sir, this is apple.

Gotta buy their apple 5 point screwdriver

Open back

Remove adhesive & battery

Dismount motherboard and keyboard

Find out it's soldered ram

Kill self

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My four year old phone has more RAM than an expensive macbook? LMFAO 🤭🤭🤭

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Um actthually mac is so oPtimized so 1gb mac = 12.3gb windows 🤓

STFU it physically has less ram than a potato while costing the price of a nasa rocket

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also Apple™ RAM costs like 4 to 8 times as much. Being $200 for 8GB. So assuming fantasy land Apple™ iMagic™ means 8GB = 16GB it's still a minimum of twice the cost per dollar

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

With that kind of memory swapping, the soldered ssd gonna be toasts within 1 or 2 yrs. Its already a known problem in previous macbooks, where people runs memory intensive programs and find thier mac book dead after even 6 months to 1 yr

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

My 350€ three-year old phone has an SoC with 12GB of RAM.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

And then wonder why Mac sales tanked 27% in their last financial report. Selling 8Gb laptops is an offence.

And seriously for their price, I would much prefer a laptop like Framework that I know I can easily swap components and make it workable even after a while.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They'll still sell like hot cakes 😂

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Apple is the proof Marketting >> Quality.

They sell the premium dream making the user think it's the best.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My current phone, and my last phone both had more ram. For significantly less money.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Perhaps with an SSD, memory swapping is less intrusive, hence you won't noticed any performance issues. This is referring to the vast majority of users. At least for a few years. They will have an intolerable machine later though, when the OS becomes more bloated, and they can't figure out how to upgrade those soldered RAM modules.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

SSDs are far slower than RAM. And adds extra wear on the SSD.

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