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By MAYA ZANGER-NADIS NOVEMBER 12, 2023 19:09 Updated: NOVEMBER 12, 2023 21:26


Israeli security forces delivered 300 liters of diesel fuel to Shifa Hospital in Gaza early Sunday morning and later received intelligence indicating that Hamas had intercepted the delivery, according to a Sunday night IDF statement.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

The "evidence" of edit: stealing fuel provided by IDF is some phone conversation where someone says Hamas will take the hospital's fuel reserves.

The official can be heard in the recorded call saying that Hamas has fuel reserves of over half a million liters under the hospital and that if further fuel was brought into the Strip, Hamas would take it as well.

Then the evidence of blocking fuel is again a representative speaking on what Abu Rish says...

"Abu Rish doesn't want this amount [of fuel]. We are trying to convince him."

Such claims about Hamas are certainly plausible, but I call into question their authenticity, because it's possible these calls are fabrications by the IDF if they aren't independently verified. The information war occuring alongside the actual war makes it difficult for me to read through Hamas and IDF bullshit.

Edit: clarified my point a little. Yes they can say they delivered fuel to the hospital with a video that's fine. It's the "they're stealing it" part I'm not entirely convinced.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And this fuel would be enough for ... (wait for it) 30 minutes. The hospital requires 9000-10000 litres a day.

And don't forget that until recently IDF was refusing to admit that the fuel is running out in the hospitals and now they offer 300 liters. How generous of them.

Oh and those babies, that they offered to transport, how are they going to arrange it? Seriously this will require special transportation, with transport incubators, special personnel and should deliver them to another hospital with enough fuel and equipment and guess what there isn't such a hospital in Gaza.

But again this also comes from the IDF who were refusing to admit that there is a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza and that they are the reason for it.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (29 children)

If we were to be devils advocates for a second here.. if you knew that the terrorists that you're trying to wipe out would steal any fuel you send in, but everyone keeps telling you to do it anyway, would you send 9000 litres and resupply your adversary or would you send a few hundred litres and record what happens to make a point?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Finally ! someone with common sense !! Thank you

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Especially since you can send another 300 liters, or even more, as soon as you see it actually going to the hospital.

Also, the hospital most certainly does not need 10000 liters a day for critical equipment. (To run everything like normal, maybe.)

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Yep, it's a real common problem when the government of a country (Hamas in this case) is fundamentally untrustworthy. Makes delivering meaningful aid near impossible.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't really trust things coming out of jpost at face value.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

I'm sure the Jerusalem Post is who we should be listening to on this matter.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (7 children)

And people are mad at IDF for not doing a cease fire when Hamas is literally stopping humanitarian aide to the people they claim to represent for their own purposes.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Are you under the impression that people like Hamas? We can be mad at both of them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This incident among others highlights exactly why IDF and Israel as a whole can't commit to a cease fire for the same reasons Ukraine couldn't just try to make peace with Russia. The agressor in both situations is only going to be satisfied when they wipe out every trace of the others existence, would you agree to a truce with someone you know is only going to use the ceasefire to find another opportunity to kill you? Hamas entire reason to be is drive a wedge between the Israeli and Palestinian people and prolong any suffering by Palestinians to justify carrying out war crimes against their neighbors with zero regard to the safety and well being of anyone not fighting for them.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I actually have the impression. It's always "yes hamas is bad BUT..."

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The first was an audio recording of an exchange between a representative of the Coordination and Liaison Administration (CLA), which implements civilian policy regarding the Israeli government's activity in the Gaza Strip, and an official from Shifa Hospital.

IDF Spokesperson R.-Adm. Daniel Hagadi said the military would help evacuate babies from the hospital, at the request of the staff at Shifa.

Israel has said doctors, patients, and thousands of evacuees who have taken refuge at hospitals in northern Gaza must leave so it can tackle Hamas terrorists who it says have placed command centers under and around them.

Ahmed al-Mokhallalati, a senior plastic surgeon at Al Shifa, told Reuters there had been continuous bombardment for more than 24 hours.

Earlier in November, the IDF released proof that Hamas was stealing fuel from Gazan hospitals.

Two days later, they released a recording of a Gazan health official explaining how Hamas stole fuel from Shifa Hospital.


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