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This question always comes to mind whenever I see people jogging along sidewalks, and wonder. Sidewalks are generally concrete or cement or something, which is definitely harder than dirt, so...

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

All the people saying "yes" are incorrect. Running on pavement and running on trails exert different strains on the body, but not less. The tendency in road runners is to end up with tibial stress fractures, and in trail runners it is metatarsal stress fractures, but the injury rates are similar. Trail running requires stronger stabilizer muscles (primarily gluteus medius) to maintain knee health in the long term, but this is a problem for both as well.

Use good shoes, strength train your gluteus medius and calves, do most of your miles at an easy pace, and you'll be running for decades, regardless of your chosen surface. You might even change it up and do both!

(My credentials are that i am an ultramarathoner and have run half a dozen races between 26.2 and 50 miles, on pavement and trail, and i have been coached by a professional ultra runner for several seasons.)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the insight!

Use good shoes [...]

This is such a tricky part of it all, given different gaits/fits/feet though, isn't it? That's been my experience anyway.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The strongest indicator that shoes will work for you, according to the research is... Do they feel good? I'd suggest going to a running store and trying on different brands and jogging around the store. Once you find a comfy pair, you probably chose well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

This guy exerts

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes it’s absolute shit for your body. There is good reason why dedicated running tracks use a rubber like substance. Running in the woods is also a good alternative. Just not the rock hard surface of urban infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Those are mostly for sprinters and short distance runners as they are higher impact and use running cleats with less cushion then softer distance running shoes. They're also more likely to fall in events like hurdles and it's better to land on that then on concrete. Most of the shock that could be absorbed by those tracks could also be absorbed by good running shoes. Most events above a mile take place on the streets.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes but you don't really start to notice the shock absorption difference and the joint pain until you're in your thirties or forties.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey! Some of us have had shitty knees since puberty!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Flat feet tend to make knees hurt much earlier, believe me

Source: guess

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I'm close to 50, been running for decades, and still pull over 2k miles annually. Almost all that on asphalt. Haven't experienced any joint problems yet. I credit three things for that. First, modern running shoes are designed to soften the impact, and recently they have gotten ridiculously soft. The extreme cases give you 50mm (about 2 inches) of soft foam under your feet, but even more normal running shoes have advanced foam and bouncy elements in the outsole to soften the impact. Second, proper running form is not rocket science, and most people fall into a decent running form naturally. This form is the most gentle on the joints. And finally, if you are serious enough about running to go the distance where hard surfaces could be a problem, you are already likely to supplement your running with strength training, which further helps to protect your joints.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I'm an athlete and a biomechanics student who studies this sort of thing. Technically, if you do the physics, yes, pavement is harder than dirt. Will your body actually notice that difference given the forces that you experience from an easy run in modern shoes? Not likely. For a few hours a day, day in and day out over decades, then yes you will. But if you run a few miles once or twice a week, no, you probably won't see a huge difference. (And most trails frequented by runners are packed dirt that is not much softer than pavement. Getting onto shift and squishy loam tails isn't feasible for everyone.)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I used to get shin splints so now I only jog on jello

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Lucky you, the only place I can run is on the moon.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Yes. I ran on asfalt and my shins started to hurt a lot. Friend's an athlete and told me why it is. Started running on gravel and was fine.

I guess it also depends on how hard your dirt is.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, this should be true.

Not a medical person, just common sense.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Definitely. Decomposed granite (that orange gravelly stuff) or dirt is much better for your joints and shins than running on cement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm seeing that this matters for running but how about walking?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Walking is much lower impact. IMO you should be fine.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

What about sprinting on all fours? I think Shia Labeouf is tailing me and I'm considering finding a sidewalk if it will ruin his joints.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think the influence of your weight, technique and muscles is much more prominent.