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U.S. political violence driven by new breed of ‘grab-bag’ extremists (www.reuters.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OP's article is a break down of this article: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-politics-violence/

I'm really glad they posted this, the Reuter's article is harder to understand. My takeaway from OP's article is this:

The incidents involve violence emanating from across the political spectrum, including dozens of cases of substantial property damage by leftists at political demonstrations. But of the 22 fatal incidents among the total tally, involving the deaths of 44 victims and 11 attackers, most were attributed to assailants, like Aldrich, who expressed beliefs associated with the extreme right, Reuters found.

In 15 of those attacks, in which 38 victims and seven attackers died, the perpetrator had articulated far-right beliefs, many of them targeting racial, sexual or other minorities. Only one fatal incident – the 2022 stabbing of a journalist by a public administrator in Nevada – was carried out by an assailant clearly identified with the left.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It's a good thing that we in the US defend free speech for Nazis so that their ideas can be spread through various online platforms. If we didnt protect their free speech then they might restrict ours when they gain power. Now we can be assured that won't happen.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know that this is a phenomenon larger than just the US.

Are countries with anti-hate speech laws experiencing the same degree of increase in support of political violence and the advancement of far right parties? I know that we’re seeing this all over, but to what degree are anti-hate laws able to contain it?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... advancement of far right parties

I'm pretty sure that Germany, France, and the UK are grappling with that right now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

But to what degree? The question wasn't, "is the US alone on the march toward fascism?" it was, "Is the US unique in where it is on the march toward fascism?"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

German here.

While we have real problems with the far right gaining ground in Germany I would argue that it is by no means comparable to the situation the US currently finds itself in.

I mean, the USA is literally one year away from the real possibility of full blown fascism while the fascists in Germany get 21-22% in polls and currently have no chance to successfully overthrow democracy.

So yes, I would argue that the USA is a couple of steps further than Germany along the way to fascism.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago

Ah see, someone with actual experience, and surprise surprise, it differs from the assumptions of the dumbass American assuming things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The question ... was [] "Is the US unique in where it is on the march toward fascism?"

It was not. The question was:

Are countries with anti-hate speech laws experiencing the same degree of increase in support of political violence and the advancement of far right parties?

It's a combination question, and I do not have enough insight to respond to "the same degree of increase in support of political violence." I responded to (as I quoted) "the advancement of far right parties."

France has the Rassemblement National, with Marine Le Pen. Germany has Alternative für Deutschland (AfD). The UK is all over the place; the ones I've heard of are BNP and UKIP.

The fact that I, a far-away American, have even heard of these people and organizations suggests that they are widespread enough to reach my awareness.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Nearly every act of domestic terrorism ever committed in the U.S. has been committed by conservatives. Conservatism is a plague of violence long overdue for a cure.