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Google is ‘crooked’ and a bully, CEO of Fortnite-maker Epic Games testifies in Play Store trial::Epic alleges that Google has been engaged in illegal price-gouging by collecting commissions ranging from 15% to 30% on in-app digital transactions.

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, he's not incorrect, but there's that saying about rocks and glass houses.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's right.

"Don't decorate your glass house with polished rocks" or something.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Don't throw glass at your rock house."?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Don't put your house of rocks in a glass.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes thats part of it. The full saying is "Don't throw glass at your rock house, unless you want a glass moat."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think I've done all of these things in Minecraft at one point or another....

But a glass moat sounds freaking metal 🤘 lol

[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh no! One terrible corporation is saying the other terrible corporation is terrible!

Let me play a very sad tune on this really tiny violin I found.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You might think Epic is a terrible corporation. But their ability to affect meaningful change on your daily life is effectively non-existent. Unless you are making a living being a Steam evangelist or something.

But Google has a massive amount of control over the internet. Between search, Android, Maps, ads, Gmail, etc. The level of "terribleness" they can approach vastly overshadows even the most evil stances Epic could take.

So, this "both sides are bad" take is a bit ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The magnitude may be different, but that just makes this a "kettle meet pot" situation instead of the reverse. It's still hypocrisy.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Pot calls fellow pot black. 😝

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

the thing about that is, the kettle is black.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm against epic. Fuck them, hope they lose the lawsuit.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know a company sucks when the public decides to side with fucking Google instead of them.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually Google wasn't that bad in the past. They did a lot of good, open sourced a lot of projects, made a lot of Linux contributions, gave us AOSP, Kubernetes, Golang, Tensor Flow, etc.

They even had a moonshot program, working on a lot of emerging technologies, and were in general pretty cool. I think things started to go downhill when they announced Alphabet, back then they started to optimize their operations by minimising the costs and maximizing their profits. In general this made their shareholders pretty happy and the rest pretty sour.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm confused about the price gouging too. Not sure what they did exactly. I remember fondly that Apple had an issue with then and how they advertised app purchases, but not with Google Play Store.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Projection is a thing Epic. Be less Republican.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Takes one to know one? Or something silly.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Their crooked bullies.

Our strategic entrepreneurs.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don't have to support Epic's ultimate goal of increasing their profit, to understand that the monopoly power this lawsuit is fighting is even worse. Apple and Google should not be able to gatekeep what kind of apps we get to use - any argument in favour of them basically boils down to "they let us avoid malicious apps" but you can have democratic orgs decide that instead of oligarchical cartels. And I don't necessarily mean the government, although government regulation would be a welcome move, I mean even more democratic:

In Finland, some of the largest grocery chains (think Walmart) are collectively, democratically owned - in other words, they operate in the same boring, stable, functional, and efficient manner as other grocery shops without being undemocratic(!). The average Finnish person has say in what products are being stocked, can be elected managers of stores, and the coop gives members 5% of their spending back (i.e. revenue sharing), among other things. [1] For reference, in the UK, we get a measly 1% back from grocery shop purchases, or from Amex with their cashback.

Sure, Epic won't give us this democratic org, but they do help us challenge the gatekeepers that are way more invested in working against giving us anything like this.

[1] https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2023/10/11/inside-the-walmart-of-finland/

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wholeheartedly believe google is breaking the law to maximize profits, but I also feel like this headline is designed to make it seem as though the people suing are just butthurt and that their primary complaint is that they don't like google personally and feel that their opinion as to whether google is kind and nice should be legally actionable.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Sure Timmy. Timmmmmmeeeeeyyyyyyy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

No shit Sherlock. Every company is. How they make stupid cash monies.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I believe they removed this from their company policy a couple of years ago.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yes they did. I wonder why…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is still in their code of conduct.

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