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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] [email protected] 144 points 1 year ago (7 children)

We can criticize Israel, while condemning Hamas terrorists

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this point, I would argue that Israel has done more for Hamas PR and popularity than anything in the last 20 years.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We can also condem israel for creating this entire situation

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Do you think if Hamas dissappear tomorrow, those who throw garbage will stop?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If the elements of Hamas, namely the promising of death to all Israelites from Palestinians disappeared, then relations would improve and yes the garbage would stop. But it would still be a process that takes time to build trust between the people.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ted Kaczynski made a lot of really solid points, but bombing people, especially civilians, is wrong.

People still cheer for Luke Skywalker though.

Humans are more tribalistic than rational. They pick sides and justify later.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this combined with the orders from IDF that under no circumstances were celebrations or signs of joy allowed when prisoners were returned to their families; fucking ghouls.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Calling Israel's apartheid "modern" to me kind of implies that South Africa's apartheid, whose transitional period ended in 1994, was somehow "ancient" or "old-fashioned"... Yeah, you can rest assured that apartheid/segregation always has been far too modern.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also South Africa still has massive problems between white and black people. I watched a documentary a few years ago where I black paralympian travelled round South Africa to see how things had changed and he was stunned that black people live in shanty towns outside major cities still, also the guy was shown a rich area with private security patrols and high walled residences and the security kept coming back to look at him, basically not trusting him there.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago

Zionists: "they Made us do it!"

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Disgusting. Imagine you are walking around minding your business and a Zionist throws his trash on your head.

Israel treats Palestinians worse than animals.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Garbage and rocks. Don't forget rocks

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

But I've been informed by a bunch of friendly folks from reddit that throwing rocks is a highly dangerous major criminal offense, trialed by the military, in Israel.

/s

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’m starting to think some of these Israelis aren’t the nicest people

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to google, the population of Hebron is about 215,000 of which approximately 600 are jews. This post is a lie.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

This comment below has some good context and explains why the comment above is disinformation:

https://feddit.de/comment/5233076

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Folks please, please go and google "Jewish population of hebron". You are being fed lies and you're eating it all up because you really want to cheer for the underdog.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I found the original source of the photo: It is an article by "The New Yorker" from 2019 that confirms and explains the situation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/a-guided-tour-of-hebron-from-two-sides-of-the-occupation

[...] Hebron, in an area where about thirty thousand Palestinians—a fraction of the number who used to live here—live under direct Israeli military rule, which protects fewer than a thousand Israeli settlers. This part of the city is freely accessible to Israeli citizens and foreigners, but most Palestinians can enter only if they’re residents.

[...]

For a second it felt like we were in a covered market, but this was because the street is fenced in from the top, with a sort of wire net intended to protect the Palestinian traders and their customers from rocks, bottles, and trash thrown by Israeli settlers who live on the street just above. Amro pointed at metal sheeting placed over a section of the net; it is meant to guard against acid that settlers pour down, to destroy the goods sold here.

[...]

In 1997, as part of the Oslo peace process, Israel and the Palestinian Authority drew a line splitting Hebron in two. The area designated as H-1 is controlled by the Palestinian Authority; in H-2, the Palestinian Authority has civil administration over Palestinian residents and the Israeli military controls everything else. H-1 is far larger, and in the past two years its population has roughly doubled, while H-2’s has dwindled because settler violence and I.D.F. restrictions have made life unbearable for Palestinians. But H-2 contains the city’s historic center, its most popular square, and its wholesale, vegetable, spice, and other markets—all of them now hollowed out. The market street through which Amro leads his tour hits a dead end at the border between H-1 and H-2. Here, though, the border is also vertical: the market street is in H-1; the street directly above is in H-2. This is why the protective net and metal sheeting are necessary.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whoa what the fuck, they’re also pouring acid down on these poor people?? The fuck is wrong with them?!

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I literally googled that and this was the top result.

"Hebron is home to approximately 200,000 Palestinians, as well as 700 or so Jewish settlers. However, 20 percent of the city is under direct Israeli control, and Palestinians living in it, or passing through it, are subjected to checkpoints and a ban from travelling on several main streets, unlike the Jewish settlers."

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/03/palestinians-hebrons-old-city-build-fence-prevent-settlers-attacks

Article from 2021. Al Monitor is a left center leaning Arabic News paper with High Credibility and High factual reporting. See the following link: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-monitor/

Please provide your counter proof.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His counter proof is, and I quote from one of his comments from a few days ago: "I'm a Jew living in Israel and currently serving in active duty. I have a house and a family and a pretty good life here".

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