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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I think the craziest thing is, that the survey starts at 50$. They just assume that must be the minimum prize everyone is ok with.

Lunatics…

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

What...? That's 20$ short of the whole game...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

$50 is, like, a week of median per-capita household income.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Man, things are a LOT worse in the US than the media makes you believe if the median income is $2600 a year.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Who is playing Diablo 4? Especially this year.

I mean, I checked it out at launch, thought it was fine, didn't even finish the main campaign, moved on to the other million great games that came out the past few months. Is this game still relevant?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

anyone who didn't uninstall battlenet after the Blitzchung nonsense gets the DLC they fucking deserve

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Rant

I've always been of the "vote with your dollar" or "If you don't like it, don't buy it" mentality until recently. Now it seems like the heavy concentration of market power into a few companies is spurring on the continued development of "pricing innovations".

Remember when they said digital distribution would make the games cheaper and they would pass the savings down to us? (surprise that was a lie). That's just the cost of innovation.

Diablo 4 isn't a "bad game" but for games as a service that contains microtransactions, it certainly isn't a game worth a $100 expansion pack. They didn't even include the game with the collectors edition. Sell the collectibles without the game for a premium! Get paid twice! Innovation!

As more and more disappointments land face first on the concrete floor of the empty swimming pool surrounded by apathetic"entitled " gamers they still will not learn from their mistakes because the money says otherwise. They would rather go out of business then sell you a product you actually want to buy. That's the cost of innovation.

I don't know if this is the right place to say this. I urge everyone to collect physical copies of games, back them up, share them and archive them. We're never getting back what we've lost no matter how much we're willing to pay for it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Relative to the cost of everything else / inflation, games actually were pretty cheap. They had been $50/60 for nearly 30 years. Now we're in the shitty time where it's $70 for the base game, $30 for day 1 dlc, battlepasses, micro (really macro) transactions, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes that is true.

Games were cheap for a long time. It was a competitive market. When the N64 came out, game cartridges were 80$ in the US (depending on the title). Neo Geo games were $200 a cartridge new before that. The prices resembled a (arguably) higher quality item.

The Sony PlayStation had games typically around the $30 to $40 dollar price point and that enabled Sony to sell endless copies of Blasto and other (arguably shovelware) games at the time. This loss leader strategy Sony had destabilized a lot of the market. Systems makers had to lower the price of games to increase the install base and they constantly lost money (sega Saturn games used to sell as low as 10$ new in 1997).

$70, $80, even $120 Dollars for a triple A title like Elden Ring or Super Mario Galaxy wouldn't be that crazy to me depending on the state of that market. Some people are buying OG PlayStation games like MegaMan Legends in excess of $200. In the end though, you have the game. It is your copy.

The wake up call for me was when Microsoft has to be shamed into walking back their weird anti consumer Xbox game cd key sharing policy because Sony made this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

After reading a story about bg3 patch 5 adding an epilogue set 6 months after the games end with over 3500 new lines of dialogue, new cutscenes which is based on the thousands of decisions you made in your playthrough and different for everyone and its just a patch and its free. This makes me so mad that blizzard have become this shit hole of a company.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

that was probably going to be in the base game but they released it without itanyway. wish obsidian did that for new vegas instead of a stupid slideshow 😂

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Maybe it was but you know if it was any other comapny rhry would have charged for it and it woild be broken still.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll play D4 if and when it's free. Otherwise I'm not interested.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That would probably make me less likely to play it, because then there'd be even more MTX crap. I'm just not interested at any price.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure, but it won't cost me anything to try at that point, and if it sucks, so be it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Diablo 4 isn't that good of a game and not even close to the best arpg. I admittedly got hosed on buying it at launch and am not giving them more money. Why would I spend over 150$ total to get the equivalent of 1 mediocre game assuming they fix all the bs. Definitely regret the purchase at this point, and if a fixed version is going to be locked behind absurdly priced dlc in the future I feel like I got scammed twice.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Vomit. Blizzard gets worse and worse. Good ole capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Blizzard hasn’t done shit for innovation for a very long time

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Who wants to pay $100 to run into a thousand cellars?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What?

First of all, after the shitshow that was the launch of D4, that's just hilarious. S2 is certainly better than the start, but it is no holy grail that magically fixed everything.

Secondly, you're dreaming if you think a DLC is worth more than the base game.

And finally, I like how they're "asking" players if they'd "be okay" with it. Are you telling me that if the majority of the player base said "NO!" they'd actually listen? If there is anyone who believes that, well I've got a bridge in Sanctuary to sell you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Depending on how extreme the NO! answers are, they may delay it or split the 100$ DLC in 2 50$ DLC, which you both have to get to actually play the game.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I am okay with $5000 DLC because i don't play this bitch-ass game.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Blizzard: Would you be okay with a 100$ DLC?

Me: Sure, I stopped buying your overpriced crap years ago :D

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

70 for a game that doesn't feel finished wasn't ok.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Agreed, do what you want, I'm not buying regardless.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha... Fuckin idiots.

I swear they're spiking the water with acid down in silicon valley, how can so many companies be making so many dumbass decisions all at the same time?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

$120 is my yearly budget for games.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I won't even buy the shitty $70 game because the beta was fucking terrible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Absolutely not

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I was willing to pay at maximum €15 and that was already pushing it for me.

I bought the ultimate edition because diablo is the franchise I spent most of my time on when gaming. But played more d2r than D4 since it released.

I'll come back to it later to check it out if it's better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Ahh, this must be where the laid off Bungie employees went to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Honestly I’d like them to release enough content to make me feel like I didn’t waste my original purchase price, maybe I just am wanting for Diablo 1/2 days :(

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Alright, I'll pay up to $50 for a DLC pack that includes a new continent, at least as much story and content as the current game, at least 2-4 new character classes, and several new game play concepts. If you want me to pay the price for a new game, I need the equivalent of a new game out of it. As for $100, no. Ain't happening.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

What is it is 1/3 of a continent, 20% more characters, and 5x more buggy, but... they add more microtransactions to the game so you could give them even more money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Feels like a power move. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft raises their fist and play a move where they end up being the good guy. All to save a dead game and get people to come back spending money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

... which will be stuffed with real-money charges anyway, because oink oink.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I can't wait for Microsoft to take over.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The awnser is no to all DLCs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it? I mean, Diablo expansions have been a thing since the very first game. I'm certainly not against DLC for the games I like if the content is good and have never been, even when the content wasn't "DL" and came in CDs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Yup, I'm the same way. I love good DLC because they generally provide even more value for a game I know I enjoy. Quite often, I enjoy a $10-15 DLC more than a $30-40 game.

That said, I'm not paying $100 for a DLC, or even $50. I'd maybe do $50 if it had the same content as a sequel, but was sold as a DLC for whatever reason, but it needs to have fantastic reviews.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

phew they Didn't do the forbidden paradox

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